eMac G5?

[BornAgainMac]

Apple isn't worried about you guys, you guys are mac fans already.

What apple wants is - me. A pc guy who wants a mac.

And I'm not switching unless it's under 1000, because apple knows I can buy a screaming pc for that. And I'm not paying 1800 for an imac *L*.

So they are going to make a g5 emac for $999.00, because I want to edit video and run Tiger on it. And because they want to sell 200k of these a year.

So there.

Well said.

 

[NNO-Stephen]

Nothing you say is obvious, with all due respect. I'm not sure why, but you manage to suggest that you mean something else while saying what you seem to think is a clear point.



I see that we've forgotten basic goemetry, too.

The volume of an object is arrived at by multiplying length by width by height. Typically, for an object the size of an iMac or an eMac, you're talking about something in the range of cubic inches. Because of the irregular shape, the eMac is going to be hard to pin down an exact figure for, but I'd be willing to state that it's going to be a third less (or more) than the new iMacs. That's just talking about dimensions, and not the internal clutter of the design, in which the iMac clearly has far more room.

As I asked before, and you've dodged... You've never seen the inside of an eMac, have you?



Since I seem to have to be entirely blunt with what I'm saying, I'll do so now. The "likelihood" is not the same as reality, and odds do not always translate to what actually exists.



Look again, sunny jim. The bottom row is a Powerbook G4 1.33 with mobility 9600, which is the last generation they offered, and it just barely gets eked out by the G5 PowerMac. That means that, with full bus and other issues applied, the G5 still doesn't hammer the G4, despite its 300mhz clock and 600mhz bus advantage.

Run some Logic 7 benchmarks and tell me what you get.

yes, I have seen the inside of an eMac. it shares many similarities with the inside of the old iMac I used to own before the logic board died.

and the overall volume is fine, but if you have more headroom you'll still be better off than having a paper thin computer with no vertical (or horizontal, depending on orientation of the computer) room for air circulation. there are more factors than the volume, which I still believe the eMac has more of anyway.

and yields of processors. the likelihood that you will get more processors DOES in fact directly relate to how many you will get as if you didn't get more then there would of course be no likelihood in the first place.

and fine, but Mhz for Mhz, thePowerBook is barely faster in UT 2004 than the iMac G5.

1.33 / 23
= 0.05782608695652174

1.6 / 27
= 0.05925925925925926

may not be much, but it's not been optimized for the G5 (AFAIK) and was designed for the G4. so in theory, if they had an optimized version for each, I'd expect this very slight performance difference to change.

so, G4s are marginally faster (mhz for mhz) and more expensive... why again should Apple stick to the G4?

 

[virus1]

But really!!!! No way. No way. That makes the imac line look pathetic all the sudden, and kills the current imac as it is still growing, and just is bad, bad timing relative to the imac, and they're already tight on chips, way tight on chips, and they just made a new computer that uses the chips they're tight on. And, WHO WOULD BUY THE IMAC?!?!?! Doesn't matter if somehow they made more money on the emac, because for apple's name, the imac can't be the flop, and the bottom of the line computer can't be the big hit. Otherwise, apple is just a dell the does a really bad job at it and is overpriced.

my vote-NOT happening. Maybe in the spring, but that's not worthy of a rumor.

hmm... why would anyone buy an imac instead of this new emac? you would think that the stupid people would learn. lets start off with: lcd screen, faster g5, more ram, cooler look, screen size...

i personally believe the whole rumor except for when it says that it is coming soon, unless they meant soon as in jan or june '05...

 

[Jo-Kun]

The consumer line (iMac/eMac) will never go G5 before the complete pro line is G5.

hmm you posted this on 14 oktober (when the iMac G5 was allready released )

in the US there is a non-optical version of the iMac for education use, so maybe this is the new eMac ;-) remember the eMac was for Education Use first, later on they made it for everybody as low-end G4 system...

 

[Ups85]

If they are having problems with chip yeilds now, why would they put it into another product line? This would be stupid, and would hinder imac and powermac sales

 

[Wonder Boy]

So they are going to make a g5 emac for $999.00, because I want to edit video and run Tiger on it. And because they want to sell 200k of these a year.

So there.

you can edit movies on a g3. i did two, count them two senior thesis movies on a 500 and 600 mhz imac and ibook. to clarify, i did one movie on each. it wasnt the fastest but definetly useable. any ghz g4 should be more than enough to edit video unless you're in hollywood in which case i'd suggest an xserve.

 

[Mechcozmo]

you can edit movies on a g3. i did two, count them two senior thesis movies on a 500 and 600 mhz imac and ibook. to clarify, i did one movie on each. it wasnt the fastest but definetly useable. any ghz g4 should be more than enough to edit video unless you're in hollywood in which case i'd suggest an xserve.

I have a PowerTower Pro 225 which has video editing software...that isn't even a G3!
I have not used it, btw. But it is there...
And there was, on Apple's Pro Stories site about the maker of "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow" trying to edit on a Mac IIsi or something. Kinda too lazy to find it now.

 

[Zigster]

I *am* in Hollywood, actually...


And I'm pretty sure that the HDV codec coming up in the new version of FCP needed to support the Sony FX-1 cam will require 1+ ghz and probably even a g5.

So there

 

[Wonder Boy]

I *am* in Hollywood, actually...


And I'm pretty sure that the HDV codec coming up in the new version of FCP needed to support the Sony FX-1 cam will require 1+ ghz and probably even a g5.

So there

so there? what did you prove? seems to me if *are* in hollywood, there would be no question to what mac you should get. no, not a Lisa.

 

[freechris]

seems like the emac wont be G5 for some time now the ibooks are updated and the single G5 is introduced.

 

[Yvan256]

seems like the emac wont be G5 for some time now the ibooks are updated and the single G5 is introduced.

I'm still sticking to my headless eMac idea (the exact same "guts" of the eMac but in a different casing lacking a CRT). The eMac may be "starting at 799$" but only if you live in the USA. That "over 1000$" price-tag wall is still there for Canadians. To have both the AIO and headless eMac they only need to make a second eMac casing, all the rest would be the same (so production costs are lower, overall).

Anyway, with the new iBook prices, the eMac seems quite over-priced right now (1049$CAN for a G4/1.25GHz ComboDrive eMac, or 1299$CAN for a G4/1.2GHz ComboDrive iBook).

They have to either:
- lower the eMac prices
- upgrade the hardware
- dump it entirely

I hope they'll go for either #1 (or at least #2), as #3 would simply cut a large base of potential users.

 

[MacSA]

seems like the emac wont be G5 for some time now the ibooks are updated and the single G5 is introduced.

...hmmmm I'm starting to think that too Maybe we will find out next Tuesday

 

[freechris]

...hmmmm I'm starting to think that too Maybe we will find out next Tuesday

why, what is going to happen next week?

chris

 

[MacSA]

why, what is going to happen next week?

chris

last time they updated the eMac around the same time as the iBooks.

 

[CMYanko]

I'm still sticking to my headless eMac idea (the exact same "guts" of the eMac but in a different casing lacking a CRT). The eMac may be "starting at 799$" but only if you live in the USA. That "over 1000$" price-tag wall is still there for Canadians.

First there will not be a headless eMac. The headless Mac is called a PowerMac and the new single chip 1.8 G5 is for you.

Secondly, $1000 Canadian is still just $799 ;-D

 

[Jendik]

...or?

PowerMac - PowerBook
iMac - iBook
eMac - ........................ eBOOK !

 

[J.Allen]

I'm still sticking to my headless eMac idea

Doubt that will happen
Think of the Product hiearchy
why get a Powermac? if you could by a barebone eMac?

note: however I would like the idea of a barebone eMac, Just don't think it will happen

 

[x86isslow]

<snip>And because they want to sell 200k of these a year.

So there.

they could easily sell almost that many each quarter- this last quarter, with almost non-existant iMac stocks, they sold 229,000 eMacs and iMacs, so out of those lets say 130,000 were eMacs. if they introduce the eMac you're looking for, i think they'd be able to sell 800k a year

 

[Yvan256]

First there will not be a headless eMac. The headless Mac is called a PowerMac and the new single chip 1.8 G5 is for you.

Secondly, $1000 Canadian is still just $799 ;-D

Let's say the headless eMac would be something around 800$CAN. The new single-cpu 1.8GHz PowerMac is 2100$CAN. When people talk about a "headless mac", it's not only about what the computer should be, it's also (and mainly) about the price.

Also, 1000$CAN may be 799$US on exchange rate websites, but remember that Canadians are paid a lot less than their American counterparts (we're talking about purchasing power here).

So if we get paid something around 25% less (average income), and we have to pay 25% more than the american price (because Apple is an american company exporting its products), it's like we're paying 1250$US for that 800$US computer. Of course, the sticker price of the combodrive is 1049$CAN, but to us it's like if you were seeing a 1250$US price on it (if you see what I mean).

And no matter how you put it, 1250$US is expensive for the "low-end" Apple computer. Oh, and did I mention we pay about 15% taxes on top of that?

Remember, we can get 600$CAN full-equipped windows boxes here. Of course, they're not that great, but they're not that crappy either (not low-end) and they get the job done.

Apple computers are REALLY overpriced (almost twice the price of a mid-range windows box for the low-end Mac).

Although, with that last iBook update (and price drop), I'd be really surprised if Apple didn't pull a stunt next week with a new eMac+price drop. If they can drop the iBook by 150$CAN, add a few MHz and add the AE card (which costs 110$CAN), this means they could be dropping the combodrive eMac to 799$CAN and even boost the CPU to 1.33GHz, which would be really nice.

The price difference of 200$CAN (between a mid-range windows box and the low-end Mac) would finally seem insignificant to finally make the jump from Windows to OS X.

Come on Apple, ComboDrive eMac for 799$CAN and Superdrive eMac for 999$CAN!

 

[Yvan256]

Doubt that will happen
Think of the Product hiearchy
why get a Powermac? if you could by a barebone eMac?

note: however I would like the idea of a barebone eMac, Just don't think it will happen

Because the "barebone eMac" would be the current eMac (exact same motherboard in a flat casing, i.e. current eMac minus CRT).

This barebone eMac would simply lower the price barrier for people to join the other Mac users.

When I say "headless eMac", I really mean "headless eMac".

 

[MacSA]

Apple have said they do not intend to enter the sub $800 desktop market.

 

[whitlock]

Apple have said they do not intend to enter the sub $800 desktop market.

That is odd considering with a student discount, the eMac is $749. Anyways, not entering the sub-$800 is a bad choice. The hardware that is inside an eMac does not cost that much to produce and should be thrown into a cheap, entry level model. Then new 1.8ghz G5s are entry level G5's, next to the iMac. Though with the lower market and cost, this will get more people into the fold. It seems like a great addition to the market. I'm just dissapointed that there is not a sub-$800 machine available, for non students.

 

[CMYanko]

The price difference of 200$CAN (between a mid-range windows box and the low-end Mac) would finally seem insignificant to finally make the jump from Windows to OS X.

I have a low-end Mac and I will take it over any mid-range PC. I can do way more, it actually works (I haven't spent more than 5 minutes in the last year trying to 'fix' anything). I can load an app and move it without breaking it. I can load software without breaking other software. It came with software that let me do way more than I ever did with my PC.

It's a little like saying why buy the entry level BMW when you can get a Chevy.

If you want something cheap, buy cheap but you'll end up spending more and wont be happy. But hey, you'll have saved a buck or two.

 

[Yvan256]

I have a low-end Mac and I will take it over any mid-range PC. I can do way more, it actually works (I haven't spent more than 5 minutes in the last year trying to 'fix' anything). I can load an app and move it without breaking it. I can load software without breaking other software. It came with software that let me do way more than I ever did with my PC.

It's a little like saying why buy the entry level BMW when you can get a Chevy.

If you want something cheap, buy cheap but you'll end up spending more and wont be happy. But hey, you'll have saved a buck or two.

You don't need to tell ME that. I want to switch. I hate Microsoft, and Linux... well, let's just say I'm giving them a few more years before they "get it".

I know I'd choose a "low-end Mac" over a mid-range windows box myself (especially if that "low-end Mac" would happen to be a 1.33GHz G4 with superdrive), but common people only base their choice on the sticker price. Heck, there's still a lot of people who think you can't even surf the Web on a Mac, let alone do anything at all.

However, as you say, once they realise that for only 200$CAN more, they get all the software pre-installed (iLife) and can basically forget about (windows) viruses, they will WANT to switch. And the more people switch, the more they tell others about how great it is to use a Mac.

But that isn't happening right now (flood of switchers) with the current pricing of Apple hardware (new iBook excluded). I'm hoping to see a major price drop on the eMac (and a +80MHz speed bump) next week. After all, this is what happened with the iBook this week.

(I still wish I could remove that AE card in the BTO options, it would drop the 12" iBook to 1190$CAN. I also wish I could upgrade to superdrive in the BTO options, eh).

 

[Zigster]

Apple is not in the habit of lowering prices. They usually increase specs and hold the price.

The emac is def due to be refreshed. It's highly likely to be a G5.

If so, turn down the audio on your computer because the powerbook whining will be intense.