STOP THIS INSANITY! You cannot possibly know what emotions or motivations another person has. Saying this just makes you look elitist. Cut it out and show people some respect please.
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Embracing the Notch: How Are You Adapting to the Most Controversial iPhone X Design Decision?
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STOP THIS INSANITY! You cannot possibly know what emotions or motivations another person has. Saying this just makes you look elitist. Cut it out and show people some respect please.
I'm dealing with the notch really well actually. My iPhone 8 works fantastically and the notch is far out of my sight, not to mention that I didn't pay an extra $300 for features we should've already had.
You've gone too far, Apple, and I'm telling you with my wallet.
You've gone too far, Apple, and I'm telling you with my wallet.
That makes sense. It seems like they knew they'd only be able to get one model out and they hit somewhere between plus and regular in overall screen size. But the iPhone X direction should let them make phones that would satisfy the old 4” contingent and plus size screens on even more svelte models in the future. I hope, at least!
Why ? I dont have to switch. I rather get iphone 8 or whatever they release next year or year after that other than flagship with a notch. Heck! I bet I can use iphone 8 for the next 3-5 years.
You sound just like the moto 360 fan boys three years ago. Sorry it's a shtty design. they couldnt get the finger sensor under the glass, switched to face id and fked up the design. I guarantee you it'll go away in the future. Meanwhile you enjoy your 'notch' ... LMFAO!
Truth is people are in three camps.
Those who have the X and like it.
They might think some things could be improved but they’re happy with their purchase and have no real complaints.
Those have have the X and don’t like it.
These people have two options. Live with their purchase an hope it grows on them and stop moaning or take it back within Apples 14 days return period and buy something else they’d like more (but probably still moan about).
Those who don’t have an X and at most have used it for 20-120 minutes in a store who think they speak for the masses but in truth they have so little hands on experience that their views count for nothing.
Those who have the X and like it.
They might think some things could be improved but they’re happy with their purchase and have no real complaints.
Those have have the X and don’t like it.
These people have two options. Live with their purchase an hope it grows on them and stop moaning or take it back within Apples 14 days return period and buy something else they’d like more (but probably still moan about).
Those who don’t have an X and at most have used it for 20-120 minutes in a store who think they speak for the masses but in truth they have so little hands on experience that their views count for nothing.
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And it’s a shtty design in YOUR opinion but a good 15-17 million obviously disagree with you
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15-17 M is a drop in the bucket when it comes to flagship most hyped 10yr anniversary phone. Tmobile right now Estimated ship date: 11/21/2017 - 11/28/2017...
So much for the " No availability till 2018 " Obviously they CANT handle the "demand"
LOL LOL
You like the 'notch" GREAT! Enjoy it. But also accept that MILLIONS of people also DONT like it. ANd want nothing to do with it.
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Are you really critiquing apple for only.selling 15 million thousand dollar phones in two weeks? Perspective?
Except our views don't count for nothing. And many of us aren't "Android peeps." But hey, nice try at clumping a bunch of people you don't know together and then making absurd assumptions about all of them.
I hope you’re good with your 8 for years. The notch is here to stay. Likely for the next 10 years!!
Your views aren't worthless but your experience is, because you don't have any. This is about adaptation, and one must experience something to adapt to it.
It's perfectly legitimate for people not to want to "adapt." It's also the case that not everyone adapts to change the same amount or at the same rate.
Ok what's been your experience setting the phone up? What's been your experience seeing the True Tone screen in your home environment next to your previous iPhone? Whats been your experience using it at night in your house? What's been your experience seeing your apps and your home layout on the phone? What's been your experience seeing how video you're watching fills the screen when you're actually watching video and not doing a tech demo?
The fact is if you don't own the phone and live with it, your impressions aren't going to be(and literally can't be) the same as someone who has. We have a society where everyone's random useless opinion is raised up to the level of people who actually have lived experience. Like I said your perspective isn't bad, but it needs to take a back seat to someone who actually uses the phone daily if the question is "whats it like to use a phone with a sensor array notch on it daily?"
And by the way, if your perspective on it is "I haven't adapted to it at all because I've never liked it", okay, but how is that relevant in a thread asking how people have adapted? If I asked if you like the taste of the new Coke zero and your response is "diet soda is all terrible, so I've never had it", okay, but how is that relevant at all?
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You must have busy times when buying a new car - trying every available model (...)
[doublepost=1510998474][/doublepost]OT: People should be reimbursed for lost pixels and battery percentage (that only matters with Apple stuff)
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You're welcome to *personally* discount the views of those who haven't used the phone. That is, of course, your prerogative. But from an objective standpoint, you don't really have an argument. People are capable of making intelligent decisions without first hand experience using their knowledge, logic, and reason.
Since you seem to like analogies, let's go with another one. Why do you think some people are paid very large salaries upon graduation from school despite not having any experience? Experience matters, but it's not the only determinant in many things.
Also, it's not as though people without an X lack experience too. They likely have years of experience using a touch screen device. They know what they have and they know what matters to them and what doesn't. As such, they can decide whether that tradeoffs they'd like to accept.
I have no doubt that most people who purchase and use an X would and will "adapt" to the notch. But that doesn't have any bearing on the point that I raised—namely that some people simply don't want to. And we should respect that rather than deriding these people as Androd fan boys or as idiots incapable of making an intelligent decision. People make purchasing decisions every single day about thousands of products they've never used. This really is no different.
Sure, but your decision to not participate means your opinion isn't changing based on first hand experience, by definition. Which is why I am not discounting your knowledge, logic or reason (you're obviously an intelligent person); I'm saying those qualities aren't receiving new inputs - or that whatever those inputs are (you seeing someone else use the phone, noticing whether others are happy or seem disappointed with it), they're not the same as first-hand experience.
Who is paid a large salary upon graduation? The process of going through an extended and intensive training period for something like medical school or law school does typically earn a higher salary, but the person who finished med school has a lot more actual experience than the anti-vaxxer mom trolling the Snopes forums and my point is maybe we should listen to the person who actually participated in the experience (y'know, bought the phone and tried it, or actually went to medical school) over someone who actively made decisions to not participate.
How many jobs pay substantially more for someone with multiple years of experience vs someone who is fresh out of school? Like literally all of them? Why do you think that is? Experience matters.
That’s fair. The touchpoints I chose weren’t that far in - setting the phone up, using it with a context that’s not a cold Apple store but where you actually live with your actual stuff. Using it to actually use it because it is suddenly your phone, not one you’re testing out in a store.
Some people did that and still hated it. I honestly think far more did that and fell in love and found their concerns (and frankly real anxieties) related to the notch to be overblown or non-issues. I am personally surprised how irrelevant it is in daily use and how oddly correct Apple was to disprefer hiding the notch. But others did those things and really didn’t like it, still. That’s relevant, because they tried and couldn’t adapt.
I just don’t even understand how you think non-owner satisfaction is somehow a metric that should be held to the same weight as actual owner satisfaction. Non-owner satisfaction is at best an ill-informed opinion in comparison. Should I jump onto a Lear jet forum and start telling those owners why they’re all wrong about the experience of using the instrument panel during a storm having never owned or flown the plane, but having seen it in pictures?
Agreed—as I am with nearly all you have written. In fact, the more we talk, the more I actually don't think our viewpoints diverge all that much.
People who go into finance and management consulting often clear 6 figures upon college graduation. And almost all top-tier MBA school graduates do. But since it's just an analogy, no need to take it too far. Certainly, experience matters and there can be no argument that it helps—in work, life, and purchasing decisions—and I wasn't trying to discount the fact that it does. After all, even with product purchasing decisions, when we don't have our own experience, we often rely on that of others in the form of product reviews.
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at the anti-vaxxer comment. Funny, but sadly true.Again per above, I don't think I'd weigh them the same, and I'm sorry if what I wrote gave the impression that I think they're equal on average. But I do think the "on average" qualification matters a lot. Some people are very good at analyzing things, putting themselves mentally into situations, and determining how they will feel and react. Others simply think they are.I just don’t even understand how you think non-owner satisfaction is somehow a metric that should be held to the same weight as actual owner satisfaction. Non-owner satisfaction is at best an ill-informed opinion in comparison. Should I jump onto a Lear jet forum and start telling those owners why they’re all wrong about the experience of using the instrument panel during a storm having never owned or flown the plane, but having seen it in pictures?
Partly my initial response to you was a knee-jerk reaction to the lumping of everyone together. There's just been so much name-calling on both sides here on this issue. And I get really heated when posters claim that most people who say they don't like the X do so because they're "jealous" or "can't afford" it. (You didn't do this, but many others on here have, and that elitist and presumptive nonsense drives me batty.)
So to be clear, I agree with you that experience does matter. I also agree that the majority of people who buy the X will adapt and end up not really thinking about or fixating on the notch. And I agree that there are people who haven't bought the X because they (incorrectly) assume it'll be a bigger impediment than it is.
All I'm trying to say is that there are some people who do know that it'll bug them and are correct in that assumption. I'm a former product guy who's also a little OCD. (You should pity the poor contractors who did my kitchen renovation last year.) So I know that for my personally, it would continue to bother me somewhat—mostly when using in landscape mode actually. I wouldn't mind it so much in portrait mode.
And that said, I've also not completely dismissed the idea of buying an X. Life is full of tradeoffs. Sometimes to get things you want, you have to accept some things you don't. And I'm under no illusions about what would happen if I buy one; I'd find the notch less annoying by day 30 than I would on day 1.
There was an interesting stat about AirPods that I found hard to believe. I think their owner satisfaction rating was something like 94% or 98%. I am not in the target market for AirPods. I think they look goofy, wouldn’t last as long as I’d need, that I’d lose them, etc. All the litany of complaints and general FUD that every non-owner has.
When I dove into the thread about it, I saw nothing but owners talking in glowing terms about the actual user experience of owning them and using them in daily life. There are always going to be people that will buy everything Apple puts out, but to achieve a satisfaction rating like that means something significant. It isn’t common or easy. I have to assume they’re putting out a good product for the people it’s made for.
I think this phone is largely the same. There will absolutely be folks who can discern that it just isn’t for them for the myriad reasons we could all state. That’s not an invalid opinion, and my apologies if I made it seem like it was. It just isn’t the opinion of someone who tried it, and I think since we went through a long speculative month together where just about the only thing to discuss was the notch and what it would be like in daily use, we just need to do a hard reset as a community and note that a lot of people aren’t just speculating anymore, they’re actually experiencing and we can sort of shake the Etch-a-Sketch and start over with actual owner impressions taking the normal priority.
Thanks for a fun discussion though. There are worse hobbies than talking iPhones.
When I dove into the thread about it, I saw nothing but owners talking in glowing terms about the actual user experience of owning them and using them in daily life. There are always going to be people that will buy everything Apple puts out, but to achieve a satisfaction rating like that means something significant. It isn’t common or easy. I have to assume they’re putting out a good product for the people it’s made for.
I think this phone is largely the same. There will absolutely be folks who can discern that it just isn’t for them for the myriad reasons we could all state. That’s not an invalid opinion, and my apologies if I made it seem like it was. It just isn’t the opinion of someone who tried it, and I think since we went through a long speculative month together where just about the only thing to discuss was the notch and what it would be like in daily use, we just need to do a hard reset as a community and note that a lot of people aren’t just speculating anymore, they’re actually experiencing and we can sort of shake the Etch-a-Sketch and start over with actual owner impressions taking the normal priority.
Thanks for a fun discussion though. There are worse hobbies than talking iPhones.
I see the two ”ears” as actually extending the screen into the corners and reducing the bezel of the older models where the earpiece and FaceTime camera are located, rather than the camera cutting off part of the screen. With the added corners, there is more room for content with the clock and signal indicators lifted into the corners.
Then ask the empathic Apple designer(s) for the ears to be enlarged with a bigger Notch...
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It's funny watching those who love Apple seeing the notch in this was, as it reminds me of some postings I made years ago about the iPad.
Now. Some people are saying it's NOT a notch into a screen, blanking out part of what could be "visible" display area. They are choosing to see it, as EXTRA areas either side, which can display MORE information that would otherwise be possible without a "notch"
Years ago, I mentioned around the Screen aspect ratio of an iPad, being around 4:3 and that at the time I would have preferred something wider, let's say 16:10 which is the monitor aspect ratio many love as it's more space for the display and is almost a match for movies.
At the time, pretty much every single person said, Nooooooooooo I don't want that. That is LESS display height.
I kept saying no. You are thinking around this wrong. I'm not suggesting making the screen narrower.
I was saying look at it, as if you are ADDING extra to the width. You are getting MORE screen.
But no, almost everyone would not see it this way, and insisted on seeing the screen as narrower and a negative, as opposed to seeing it as an ADDITION to the current screen.
Funny how things have turned, and with the iPhone X some are choosing to see the notch/ears as EXTRA screen
Now. Some people are saying it's NOT a notch into a screen, blanking out part of what could be "visible" display area. They are choosing to see it, as EXTRA areas either side, which can display MORE information that would otherwise be possible without a "notch"
Years ago, I mentioned around the Screen aspect ratio of an iPad, being around 4:3 and that at the time I would have preferred something wider, let's say 16:10 which is the monitor aspect ratio many love as it's more space for the display and is almost a match for movies.
At the time, pretty much every single person said, Nooooooooooo I don't want that. That is LESS display height.
I kept saying no. You are thinking around this wrong. I'm not suggesting making the screen narrower.
I was saying look at it, as if you are ADDING extra to the width. You are getting MORE screen.
But no, almost everyone would not see it this way, and insisted on seeing the screen as narrower and a negative, as opposed to seeing it as an ADDITION to the current screen.
Funny how things have turned, and with the iPhone X some are choosing to see the notch/ears as EXTRA screen
It's good to see Tim fully embracing the new design, in a personal yet incredibly subtle, almost unnoticeable way.
Way to go Tim, well done
Way to go Tim, well done