Of course you can, and we do.
What if it was tens of millions of false alarms per year?
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Emergency SOS via Satellite Saves Students Trapped in Utah Canyon
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Of course you can, and we do.
What if it was tens of millions of false alarms per year?
It's a thought experiment intended to show that at some point we cannot get around a cost-benefit analysis, even for something as invaluable as human life.
It's why society doesn't have endless ambulances, hospitals, nurses, and doctors. Right or wrong, we've already drawn the line somewhere.
I feel like these kinds of canyoneering and cave-diving rescues should lead to prison time and fines.
"Woods and another student, Jeremy Mumford, were stuck in the pool for over an hour, but they ultimately were able to get out and continue deeper. They encountered another pool where the water was chest deep, and they could not get out."
Despite being stuck one time, they did not turn around when they had the chance.
No law should prevent you from doing any kind of extreme sport, obviously.
But they didn't end up in this situation by accident, they deliberately went into it and even ignored their first setback and potential emergency situation.
At the very least, they should be paying for all the costs associated with getting them out of that situation.
"Woods and another student, Jeremy Mumford, were stuck in the pool for over an hour, but they ultimately were able to get out and continue deeper. They encountered another pool where the water was chest deep, and they could not get out."
Despite being stuck one time, they did not turn around when they had the chance.
No law should prevent you from doing any kind of extreme sport, obviously.
But they didn't end up in this situation by accident, they deliberately went into it and even ignored their first setback and potential emergency situation.
At the very least, they should be paying for all the costs associated with getting them out of that situation.
"Not being there" is the first step in not being an idiot who gets oneself stuck in a canyon somewhere.
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Oooh, the ego on you!!!
You can absolutely put a price on human life...and some of them are worth a lot more than others.
"Woods and another student, Jeremy Mumford, were stuck in the pool for over an hour, but they ultimately were able to get out and continue deeper. They encountered another pool where the water was chest deep, and they could not get out."
This is natural selection at its best.
Apple thwarted it.
This is natural selection at its best.
Apple thwarted it.
I still wonder how that paid subscription will work. Will people die without a subscription although the phone could technically use the satellite service? For me it would make more sense to charge AFTER you use it. Each call could cost $50 for example. In a real emergency that would be a great deal and in European countries the health insurance would very likely pay that.
Yeah - because it's not like there are fixed costs for offering and operating the service, regardless of whether you use it or anything.
I see no issue with a "no pay, no use" model. If people are too cheap to pay for a service that may save their life, that's ON THEM. It's not any different from being too cheap to pay for the rental car insurance, or life insurance, or the better tires for your car or any number of other things. It's TOTALLY reasonable to simply let people do their own cost/benefit analysis and spend accordingly.
Life has consequences. People should not be, and should not expected to be, protected from all off the bad things that may happen to them in life. That's just ridiculous.
If you don't want to die out in the middle of nowhere, then don't go out in the middle of nowhere! Honestly - it's not a hard concept to grasp.
That reminds me of a story I heard where a woman's car got stolen with her kid still in the back. She had a tracking feature in the car that wasn't active because she wasn't paying for it. The car company refused to help the police until they handed over a credit card.
VW wouldn’t help locate car with abducted child because GPS subscription expired
VW says its Car-Net service shouldn’t have demanded $150 payment from detective.
arstechnica.com
Why should they give away their service for free?That reminds me of a story I heard where a woman's car got stolen with her kid still in the back. She had a tracking feature in the car that wasn't active because she wasn't paying for it. The car company refused to help the police until they handed over a credit card.
VW wouldn’t help locate car with abducted child because GPS subscription expired
VW says its Car-Net service shouldn’t have demanded $150 payment from detective.
That police dept has a huge budget. No reason why it can't use some of it to, you know, do its job. I bet those police didn't mind getting paid overtime to work on this case though, did they?
For that matter - this lady's kid is in the back, she wants VW to turn on the feature and she STILL isn't willing to just give them a credit card number to turn it on? I mean, what the hell? What a horrible mother!
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InReach’s don’t work well in these environments either.
I have recorded tracks on the Explore map that consist of two points, one at the entrance of a canyon, and another at the exit, connected by a straight line.
These are extremely narrow, steep, sheer, and often overhanging canyons. Don’t go if you think you’ll need to rely on a sat device for assistance.
Probably like applecare.
Let’s say you buy inferior climbing equipment and fall off the mountain because if it. You have to be responsible.
So apple is supposed to chase you down for a payment? I doubt it. How about you prepay for a few years if you are going to use the service.
Ever hear of insurance? We put prices on human lives every single day.
Agreed. Lots of arm chair commentary here from people who’ve never been to such environments or don’t have the skills or inclination to visit them.
Some on here say “they shouldn’t have been in a canyon” is absurd. You get it or you don’t.
But the fact is, it’s spring, after a wet winter. They should have known about the possibility of water and the difficulties it can create in these canyons. They had some self rescue gear but were they also prepped for possibly long and repeated swims in extremely cold water? As for continuing down canyon, that’s often the easiest and fastest egress.
There are many gory stories of people driving to their destination in this area, finding conditions unsuitable, but going for it anyways because of the time and expense already incurred.
I guess at least they were fit enough to do the "Squeeze". Smart enough to have a way out. Literate enough to research the trail extensively before they left.
Comparing that to people who judge others without reading the actual story. I know which one I would prefer to have in the stable.
So you didn’t work out that they couldn’t go back. Do you actually understand this kind of trail? They did things like abseil down a rock. Do you expect them to abseil back up? Geez.
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IKR! F safety features! Seat belts are stupid! Helmets are dumb! Gloves? I stomp on ‘em! Don’t get me started on protective cups! Today’s baseball gloves?! Too comfy, Nancy! While I’m at it, WTF is up with clothes?! Who needs to protect their feet and stay warm?!? Psshhh!
Amiright?!
#BackInMyDay
There you go! Good to know I have this feature when I attempt Half Dome next month.
Hope your phone doesn’t slip out from pocket and drop to the bottom of the dome
And you've never boasted about one of your accomplishments? Apple did a great thing with their satellite SOS and this comment is showing such extreme Apple hate. I guess I'm no longer surprised by this, and that's sad.
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It depends. If the rescue is performed by the Dept of Defense, Coast Guard, or other Federal Agencies, it is most likely no cost to the person(s) being rescued. it depends where you are in the US when you get rescued and who performs the rescue. For example: State regulations vs. a National Park.
This article has more info on the US and what’s typical in Europe (user typically pays or has insurance for this). Source: Time USA
Well they had rope, carabiners, fire starting equipment, a sat phone. Not sure I’d say they were unprepared. **** happens.
