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end of the 32-bit era..?

fisherking

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on the latest 10.14.4 public beta, quicktime 7 no longer works (crashes on both my macs), and the essential (for me) XLD also won't open. both, of course, 32-bit apps (adobe 32bit support files still work, apparently).

just reported in the feedback app, but still... anyone else? i know i have to give up these programs with the next OS, but this is still this OS...
 
fisherking said:
on the latest 10.14.4 public beta, quicktime 7 no longer works (crashes on both my macs), and the essential (for me) XLD also won't open. both, of course, 32-bit apps (adobe 32bit support files still work, apparently).

just reported in the feedback app, but still... anyone else? i know i have to give up these programs with the next OS, but this is still this OS...
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XLD was updated for 64-Bit support. Check the developer's page.

https://tmkk.undo.jp/xld/index_e.html
 
This is bad news. I'll install the beta on my external ssd to test 32 bit apps that I use. If this is true, then I'll be stuck on 10.14.3 for a long time...
 
KALLT said:
Still works on 10.14.3 though. Nothing suggests the removal of 32-bit libraries, so the issue may be incidental.
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am wondering about that myself. i did report it... guess we'll find out in the next beta. meanwhile, again, adobe apps (with 32-bit support apps) seem to be ok.
 
fisherking said:
wow, thanx! i did not find that (was searching on sourceforge..)

EDIT: still, tho, QT7 seems dead...
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It's possible, like a couple of other macOS system services, those will be replaced/updated whenever the OS version has been fully updated to not support 32-Bit. Whether there's a "mode" for compatibility similar to the 16-Bit Real which was baked into the 32-Bit OS; I can't say for certain. Just a hunch.
 
fisherking said:
on the latest 10.14.4 public beta, quicktime 7 no longer works (crashes on both my macs), and the essential (for me) XLD also won't open. both, of course, 32-bit apps (adobe 32bit support files still work, apparently).

just reported in the feedback app, but still... anyone else? i know i have to give up these programs with the next OS, but this is still this OS...
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Does Mojave come with some version of QuickTime out of the box?
 
harriska2 said:
Does Mojave come with some version of QuickTime out of the box?
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of course! quicktime is and has always been there. just... the 'legacy' version has a few unique features. still, as Kallt pointed out, it could be the beta, and QT7 will work again later (but still not in the next OS).
 
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whoisyourdaddy said:
It's possible, like a couple of other macOS system services, those will be replaced/updated whenever the OS version has been fully updated to not support 32-Bit. Whether there's a "mode" for compatibility similar to the 16-Bit Real which was baked into the 32-Bit OS; I can't say for certain. Just a hunch.
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QuickTime X is the successor to QuickTime 7. The latter continues to work as long as Apple keeps the Carbon and QTKit developer frameworks around. These were not updated for 64-bit architectures and have been marked as deprecated for years now. Unless Apple decides to enhance QuickTime X with the missing features, it will be end of the line for QuickTime 7.
 
KALLT said:
QuickTime X is the successor to QuickTime 7. The latter continues to work as long as Apple keeps the Carbon and QTKit developer frameworks around. These were not updated for 64-bit architectures and have been marked as deprecated for years now. Unless Apple decides to enhance QuickTime X with the missing features, it will be end of the line for QuickTime 7.
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that's been true since it was announced that the coming OS would be 64-bit only. the point here is that... we're not yet on the 'next OS', so am trying to sort out why QT7 doesn't currently work. and you could be right, it could be a 'moment' related to this week's beta, not an 'absolute' for 10.14.

there's no reason at all to expect a 'bridge' in the next OS to support 32-bit apps!
 
All of my 32-bit apps work on beta 3, including QuickTime 7. Must have been a bug in previous betas
 
so any update on what the latest public beta does with quicktime classic?
 
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The "32 bit era" will not be "ending" for me.
I plan to "extend it" until at least 2025, 2026, 2027 or so.

How I'll accomplish this:
- I plan to buy either a 2017 iMac, 2018 Mini, or perhaps a 2019 iMac IF the latter will still run 10.14 Mojave (which is still 32-bit compatible). These will be the last Macs that will be capable of running 32-bit software, as all later Macs will come with OS 10.15 which will NOT run 32 bits.

- Once I have it, the "new" Mac will NEVER be upgraded beyond the final version of Mojave (at least on its internal drive). Thus, all my 32-bit apps will still run.

- I will also maintain an EXTERNAL SSD boot drive that does "keep up" with more current OS releases, so I'll be able to "switch boot" back-and-forth as needed.

- I don't have any concerns about "keeping software up-to-date" or security issues. I just don't worry about these things, and they have never proved a problem to me in 32 years of Mac'ing. Others may care... I do not.

Thus... 32-bits, onward...! ;)
 
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Fishrrman said:
The "32 bit era" will not be "ending" for me.
I plan to "extend it" until at least 2025, 2026, 2027 or so.

How I'll accomplish this:
- I plan to buy either a 2017 iMac, 2018 Mini, or perhaps a 2019 iMac IF the latter will still run 10.14 Mojave (which is still 32-bit compatible). These will be the last Macs that will be capable of running 32-bit software, as all later Macs will come with OS 10.15 which will NOT run 32 bits.

- Once I have it, the "new" Mac will NEVER be upgraded beyond the final version of Mojave (at least on its internal drive). Thus, all my 32-bit apps will still run.

- I will also maintain an EXTERNAL SSD boot drive that does "keep up" with more current OS releases, so I'll be able to "switch boot" back-and-forth as needed.

- I don't have any concerns about "keeping software up-to-date" or security issues. I just don't worry about these things, and they have never proved a problem to me in 32 years of Mac'ing. Others may care... I do not.

Thus... 32-bits, onward...! ;)
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or, you could simplify your life and move to apps that are 64bit (plus, undoubtedly, some of your current 32bit apps will be upgraded). but, of course, whatever works...
 
It is kind of startling how many bits and pieces of apps have 32 bit parts that I get 32bit support warnings from lately. Even a part of a 64 bit app left over from some function that has 32 bit code will throw the warning. I don't see how everything is going to be ready for this year. I may have to sit this update out a while. I am certain that a huge number of apps we all know and love will likely either never get updated or it will take months or years. I'm really not happy about it. That said, the casual user will likely never notice the change.

Wanna be surprised how many you have and didn't realize? Try this:

How to Find and View All 32-Bit Apps on a Mac
  1. Hold down the OPTION / ALT key on your keyboard, then pull down the  Apple menu.
  2. Choose “System Information” from the top of the Apple menu list *
  3. In the System Information app, scroll down the left-side menu and look under “Software” and choose “Applications” Then look at the last column.
 
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xgman said:
It is kind of startling how many bits and pieces of apps have 32 bit parts that I get 32bit support warnings from lately. Even a part of a 64 bit app left over from some function that has 32 bit code will throw the warning. I don't see how everything is going to be ready for this year. I may have to sit this update out a while. I am certain that a huge number of apps we all know and love will likely either never get updated or it will take months or years. I'm really not happy about it. That said, the casual user will likely never notice the change.

Wanna be surprised how many you have and didn't realize? Try this:

How to Find and View All 32-Bit Apps on a Mac
  1. Hold down the OPTION / ALT key on your keyboard, then pull down the  Apple menu.
  2. Choose “System Information” from the top of the Apple menu list *
  3. In the System Information app, scroll down the left-side menu and look under “Software” and choose “Applications” Then look at the last column.
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Thanks, very useful tip.

Adobe Lightroom is the only stumbling block for me. I don't want to move to their subscription service so will likely need to migrate to another product. Which will also solve my 32 bit issue at the same time, that's my only affected product.

I'm hoping that the new MBPro release pre-dates 10.15 so that we can continue to run 32 bit apps on the 2019 MBPro, if I take that route.
 
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