end of the 32-bit era..?

[BigBoy2018]

yep, got that. and QT7 is working again, on public beta 3. so for now, all is well here. & am sure adobe will update it's support apps to 64bit in time for the next OS.

Yea, I'm hoping that 32-bit apps aren't further 'broken' as Mojave progresses to it's .6 release. If anything, I was hoping they would find the bugs that have been messing things up for a few 32-bit apps and fix them before the end of the Mojave cycle.

 

[fisherking]

Yea, I'm hoping that 32-bit apps aren't further 'broken' as Mojave progresses to it's .6 release. If anything, I was hoping they would find the bugs that have been messing things up for a few 32-bit apps and fix them before the end of the Mojave cycle.

i doubt apple is going to devote time to fixing 32bit apps, but am (at least) impressed that QT7 works again...

 

[SoCalReviews]

Yea, I'm hoping that 32-bit apps aren't further 'broken' as Mojave progresses to it's .6 release. If anything, I was hoping they would find the bugs that have been messing things up for a few 32-bit apps and fix them before the end of the Mojave cycle.

I'm hoping MS Office 2011 works for the rest of 10.14.x releases. My older Macs probably won't be supported for new MacOS updates past 10.14.x anyway. I get 32 bit app warnings constantly. Hoping it bends but doesn't break 32 bit. I really don't want to shell out two hundred for all my Macs for the 2019 version.

 

[jzuena]

The "32 bit era" will not be "ending" for me.
I plan to "extend it" until at least 2025, 2026, 2027 or so.

How I'll accomplish this:
- I plan to buy either a 2017 iMac, 2018 Mini, or perhaps a 2019 iMac IF the latter will still run 10.14 Mojave (which is still 32-bit compatible). These will be the last Macs that will be capable of running 32-bit software, as all later Macs will come with OS 10.15 which will NOT run 32 bits.

- Once I have it, the "new" Mac will NEVER be upgraded beyond the final version of Mojave (at least on its internal drive). Thus, all my 32-bit apps will still run.

- I will also maintain an EXTERNAL SSD boot drive that does "keep up" with more current OS releases, so I'll be able to "switch boot" back-and-forth as needed.

- I don't have any concerns about "keeping software up-to-date" or security issues. I just don't worry about these things, and they have never proved a problem to me in 32 years of Mac'ing. Others may care... I do not.

Thus... 32-bits, onward...!

Similar here, although I'll leave 10.14 on the external drive and move forward on the internal drive. Most of what I have that is 32-bit are games and not very cpu or disk intensive. They ran on my old 2009 mini, so they should be plenty fast on my iMac, even running from external. If I really have to, I can get a Thunderbolt 3 SSD for them, but many of them are Steam (which itself is still showing 32-bit in about this Mac) and the games are installed on an external drive already anyway or open source (like the DOSbox frontend Boxer).

 

[nouveau_redneck]

I have a couple 32bit apps that can't be upgraded to the 64bit versions without repurchasing them. I'm not looking forward to having to make a touch decision when 10.15 comes out later this year. It looks like my choices will be a) don't upgrade the OS, b) fork out the money for 64bit upgrades that bring no new functionality other than 64bit, or c) discontinue usage of the apps. Nice.

 

[fisherking]

I have a couple 32bit apps that can't be upgraded to the 64bit versions without repurchasing them. I'm not looking forward to having to make a touch decision when 10.15 comes out later this year. It looks like my choices will be a) don't upgrade the OS, b) fork out the money for 64bit upgrades that bring no new functionality other than 64bit, or c) discontinue usage of the apps. Nice.

technology moves forward. and mac users survive, as we've survived moving from scsi to usb, or power pc to intel. etc. so when the time comes, you can make the choice you want, based on what you need, and... where things are with the OS, and hardware. it's just the nature of tech.

 

[Tech198]

on the latest 10.14.4 public beta, quicktime 7 no longer works (crashes on both my macs), and the essential (for me) XLD also won't open. both, of course, 32-bit apps (adobe 32bit support files still work, apparently).

just reported in the feedback app, but still... anyone else? i know i have to give up these programs with the next OS, but this is still this OS...

But remember this also happened on Public Beta on iOS as well. You have to give others time to switch.No one will pull the "64-switch' switch overnight and all those 32-bits apps go down the drain.

Because there would be a fury of people saying "You didn't give us enough time"

 

[fisherking]

But remember this also happened on Public Beta on iOS as well. You have to give others time to switch.No one will pull the "64-switch' switch overnight and all those 32-bits apps go down the drain.

Because there would be a fury of people saying "You didn't give us enough time"

apple's been talking about this since mojave first appeared, and reminds us regularly (ugh) with warnings when we open 32bit apps. and no one will be forced to install 10.15 when it's released. AND the beta users will be discussing it once that starts. how much more warning can there be?

 

[Ritsuka]

It’s been 12 years or more since 64bit support has been added… so there was plenty of time.

 

[nottorp]

or, you could simplify your life and move to apps that are 64bit (plus, undoubtedly, some of your current 32bit apps will be upgraded). but, of course, whatever works...

This is what really makes Macs unsuitable for gaming. Not the low performance, but their ditching compatibility.

Bonus, for apps "simplifying your life" does not mean moving to 64 bits and disrupting your work flow completely, but it does mean using the same apps and doing, you know, productive work...

 

[BigBoy2018]

This ‘march of progress’ argument makes me groan at times.
Can anyone explain what incredible benefit us users will gain by Apple ending 32-bit support?
All I’ve ever heard is that it will ‘clean up’ the os some and make life a little easier for Apple’s os programmers, with a slight, probably imperceptable speed increase in the OS. Emphasis on probably imperceptable.

 

[fisherking]

This ‘march of progress’ argument makes me groan at times.
Can anyone explain what incredible benefit us users will gain by Apple ending 32-bit support?
All I’ve ever heard is that it will ‘clean up’ the os some and make life a little easier for Apple’s os programmers, with a slight, probably imperceptable speed increase in the OS. Emphasis on probably imperceptable.

"All I've ever heard"... what exactly are your sources for this 'information'?

rather than speculate on the reasoning... a better option might be to prepare for what's next (assuming, of course, you want to move forward). if not with the next OS, then, down the line, you'll move forward; a new mac, a new OS. technology moves forward; we move with it, hold back, or... eventually move forward. we can whine, theorize, complain... but apple (like all tech companies), does what it chooses to do.

 

[Ritsuka]

There isn't a benefit to the user right now. But there will the future because they will have to maintain and keep less legacy code working; and it will take less to develop new frameworks.

 

[BigBoy2018]

There isn't a benefit to the user right now. But there will the future because they will have to maintain and keep less legacy code working; and it will take less to develop new frameworks.

Thanks. That's a little more of an answer to my question than what fisherking supplied, which was another vague 'it's the future' kind of statement, without explaining what, if any benefit to users this glorious 'future' actually provides.
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"All I've ever heard"... what exactly are your sources for this 'information'?

rather than speculate on the reasoning... a better option might be to prepare for what's next (assuming, of course, you want to move forward). if not with the next OS, then, down the line, you'll move forward; a new mac, a new OS. technology moves forward; we move with it, hold back, or... eventually move forward. we can whine, theorize, complain... but apple (like all tech companies), does what it chooses to do.

Here's a source for you: https://www.applegazette.com/mac/end-of-32-bit-app-support-means-macos/

Salient quote: "Despite the improvements that 64-bit apps bring, however, it’s unlikely that users will notice a sudden performance improvement when 32-bit apps go the way of the dinosaur. It is true that 64-bit apps are more capable, but the difference between 64-bit and 32-bit is mostly a technical one. Users won’t see programs going twice as fast or using twice as much memory as a result of the shift.

 

[harriska2]

We are leaving our 2013 imac on el cap where Filemaker Pro 13 still works and the 2018 mac mini on mojave. Because I have an old series 1 watch and we all have iphone SEs, to keep syncing among the devices, I’m freezing everything - which is a pita because you know apple will tweek something down the road in icloud to break everything. At that point we look at Android devices and compare to Apple offerings.

 

[BigBoy2018]

Here's another thing: Apple did say that Mojave was the last OS that would support 32-bit 'without compromise'. If that's the case, then why do even 32-bit apple programs like iDVD, which worked fine in Sierra, now is having so much trouble in Mojave (broken menus, spinning beachballs when rendering). That doesn't seem like 'without compromise' to me.

 

[jaybar]

@fisherking, I am currently running Mojave. I need Cisco AnyConnect, to log into my office computer. I am using the Mac version. They may not deploy the 64 bit version.

There is a windows version.

Can I dial boit the iMac with one partition having Mojave?

Would a virtual machine be better? Next fall, can I run Mojave in a virtual machine under Parallels?

Would I be better to create a bootable external drive with Mojave, using CCC?

Thanks.

 

[F-Train]

Here's a source for you: https://www.applegazette.com/mac/end-of-32-bit-app-support-means-macos/

Salient quote: "Despite the improvements that 64-bit apps bring, however, it’s unlikely that users will notice a sudden performance improvement when 32-bit apps go the way of the dinosaur. It is true that 64-bit apps are more capable, but the difference between 64-bit and 32-bit is mostly a technical one. Users won’t see programs going twice as fast or using twice as much memory as a result of the shift.

Well that's rubbish.

Recently, Apple moved Compressor to 64-bit. For those who don't know, Compressor is widely used in conjunction with Final Cut Pro for exports.

The improvement in Compressor's performance is nothing short of amazing.

 

[BigBoy2018]

@fisherking, I am currently running Mojave. I need Cisco AnyConnect, to log into my office computer. I am using the Mac version. They may not deploy the 64 bit version.

There is a windows version.

Can I dial boit the iMac with one partition having Mojave?

Would a virtual machine be better? Next fall, can I run Mojave in a virtual machine under Parallels?

Would I be better to create a bootable external drive with Mojave, using CCC?

Thanks.

You should be fine running Mojave in Parallels down the road. The only thing is, in my experience, Parallels runs os's like windows 7 smooth as hot butter, but a similarly dated mac os (10.7.5) runs like molasses in winter. So my guess is that Mojave would be dog-**** slow in virtualization.
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Well that's rubbish.

I'm going to give you like just because you used the word rubbish. English terms like that make me smile

 

[Ritsuka]

Well that's rubbish.

Recently, Apple moved Compressor to 64-bit. For those who don't know, Compressor is widely used in conjunction with Final Cut Pro for exports.

The improvement in Compressor's performance is nothing short of amazing.

The improvements to Compressor have nothing to do with 64bit… before it was using the old QuickTime framework to decode video, in a way that slowed everything to a halt if the source video was h.264 or another compressed format.
Moving from 32bit to 64bit on a Intel cpu usually gives only a 15/20% gain.

 

[fisherking]

The improvements to Compressor have nothing to do with 64bit… before it was using the old QuickTime framework to decode video, in a way that slowed everything to a halt if the source video was h.264 or another compressed format.
Moving from 32bit to 64bit on a Intel cpu usually gives only a 15/20% gain.

15-20% gain? sounds good to me...

 

[xgman]

If you don't rely on too many 3rd party apps or utilities then you'll hardly notice. Myself, I rely heavily on 3rd party stuff and whereas I assume apps like crossover will get updated pretty quickly, what I have noticed is that there are little parts of 64 bit apps, such as parts of the installer, or updater process or other little things that aren't readily apparent that will sideline some of these otherwise 64 bit apps. I am already getting strange 32 bit warnings on some of these that I swore was already 32 bit. I was shocked at how many odds and ends 32 bit apps were in the list on my mac's report. And lets not forget those good ole apps of yesteryear that will never get any further updates for one reason or another. For those tinkerers like me, it is probably better to wait a while on this one. that goes against my grain, but we'll see.

 

[CTHarrryH]

Looked at my list of 32 bit apps and some were from Apple - you'd think they'd update their stuff

 

[fisherking]

Looked at my list of 32 bit apps and some were from Apple - you'd think they'd update their stuff

what apple apps are still 32bit? (outside of quicktime 7)? nothing here like that, and, either, way, they will update everything apple to 64bit with the next OS; that's the whole point.

 

[MadDawg2020]

The "32 bit era" will not be "ending" for me.
I plan to "extend it" until at least 2025, 2026, 2027 or so.

How I'll accomplish this:
- I plan to buy either a 2017 iMac, 2018 Mini, or perhaps a 2019 iMac IF the latter will still run 10.14 Mojave (which is still 32-bit compatible). These will be the last Macs that will be capable of running 32-bit software, as all later Macs will come with OS 10.15 which will NOT run 32 bits.

- Once I have it, the "new" Mac will NEVER be upgraded beyond the final version of Mojave (at least on its internal drive). Thus, all my 32-bit apps will still run.

- I will also maintain an EXTERNAL SSD boot drive that does "keep up" with more current OS releases, so I'll be able to "switch boot" back-and-forth as needed.

- I don't have any concerns about "keeping software up-to-date" or security issues. I just don't worry about these things, and they have never proved a problem to me in 32 years of Mac'ing. Others may care... I do not.

Thus... 32-bits, onward...!

If you only want to run 32-bit apps, why even buy a new machine that will never be tuned correctly to run legacy apps? 32 bit apps will never be able to take advantage of new gen quad or six multi threaded cores or higher end Nvida graphics cards or larger amounts of ram. Why not get a vintage Mac, like a 2010-2012 iMac fully tricked out with max ram and an SSD. It I’ll run all your 32-bit apps at peak efficiency and probably faster than you could on a new machine, at a fraction of the price and you will never have to worry about any comparability issues.

Seems like a total waste of money to buy a machine you will never fully take advantage of especially at Apple’s premium prices.