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End-to-End Encryption Coming for iPhone-to-Android RCS Messages
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I can see Larry David making an “eww” face as I read this. Perfect profile pic
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You may not be far off - 1st a E2EE implementation has to be agreed upon (Google is offering its own I'm guessing) and ratified into the current RCS standard. And there may be some countries who use RCS that may not want such a thing in the standard, like that country where much of our stuff is made. So it could be a good while before it makes it into the RCS standard with a bit of an if on that.
Guessing once it makes it into the standard we'll see Apple add support on its next .0 release, but we'll see.
Well, it does use Signal's E2EE encryption method - so your message contents are almost certainly private. But you can trust Facebook / Meta / Zuck to data harvest who you contacted, when you contacted them and lets throw location in there too. But for alot of users and most of the world (where its WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger as the primary messaging app for the whole country), that's okay with them.
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I hope we get RCS 2.7 support at least in iOS 19
I am bummed we didn’t get in line replies or rcs reactions in this release.
if someone is bullying you about the color of your bubbles, should you be messaging them in the first place?
Wrong. Google has provided Apple with the needed bundle. It's Apple who has yet to get around to employing it.
Everyone still believing in E2EE? Just fancy language to make people feel better
They're worried about where keys are stored like no one can ever access their data lmao
Google has already stated what E2EE implementation they are currently working with GSMA for a standard, and which will work cross-platform, securely and privately. So what is this method Google has into facilitate the first cross-platform E2EE, so that an iPhone sharing texts with an Android one will be just as secure and private as with native iMessage or Google Messages? It's not Signal, or some unique Google creation.
Message Layer Security (MLS). This was discussed months ago, so it's not new.
You're sure? There's a lot of finger pointing going every which way. Regardless of whose actual fault it is, looks like it won't be happening until at least 18.1.
Last I checked Google says Apple has to support it, Apple says the network operator has to support it. I haven't seen any updates as to who has the ball in their court at this point.
Google tells us that “only Apple has the ability to enable RCS interoperability for iPhone users on Fi.” The Google MVNO has done all the necessary work to support iPhone RCS on its end.
I disabled RCS and told all my friend who just upgraded to disable it on their phones so this doesn’t affect me.
I know lots of (please pick any group you like) than (choose a comparison).
But wsup is widespread around me; you can survive without it but you survive, you don't live.
On the opposite for me it has been easier: I didn't have to block a$$le users... They were forced to switch to wsup by the huge number of people using it.
End to End Encryption (E2EE) means: keys generated at call time on communicating phones as a result of their authentication. Not generated/stored/retrieved on any server. Some devils in the details:
- what is not encrypted or server/vendor-encrypted (metadata, keystrokes, drafts, autoscreenshots...) can and will be read by agencies
- background processes such as sync with devices or cloud if using non-E2EE (e.g. encrypted with server key) => read
- protocol backdoors (like Apple quietly inviting agencies in all group discussions as was disclosed last year) => read
- crypto backdoors (like RNG info or related encryption keys, weak key agreement parameters...) => read
However, if correctly done, Apple servers are unable to decrypt E2EE conversations, so it's very good security.
I can’t find a quote on whether Google or Apple has confirmed that Google has actually done their part. They also lacked 5G support on iPhones forever. Not sure whose fault that was either.
Add to that pressure from the govt security apparatus too. That’s definitely at play
Apple’s been finally forced to take it’s head out of its fat ass by the European Union and implement RCS into it’s main messaging app so anyone without an iPhone / iMessage doesn’t get the finger or ridiculous green bubble when they text you or text within a group of other people all on iMessage.
One step closer to ending the annoying AF snobbery from iPhone users. THANK GOD.
One step closer to ending the annoying AF snobbery from iPhone users. THANK GOD.
I keep seeing that repeated, it wasn’t the EU, it was China that forced Apple’s hand. When China says jump Apple says how high? None of this waffling around like with the EU. Is it because China can basically shut them down overnight? Pretty much
I've had my cell phone number since the '80s. I've had it in multiple states, and with multiple carriers. Dunno who told you that you couldn't.
I think it’s wonderful you still reach out to those less fortunate than yourself. Charity work can be difficult.