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Apple service staff will likely refuse to repair a 2018 Mac mini under warranty if they see third-party RAM modules have been inserted.
I'd like to see them try that one on. I'm almost certain that would be illegal in some countries.
 
RAM, CPU, SSD, WiFi, Bluetooth… all of those things can allegedly be replaced.
 
It looks Apple is realizing it's cheaper to replace broken parts during warranty service than it is to replace a whole machine with all its parts soldered.
Not only that there's a lot of cases when people brought their gadgets to Apple Store, they just ended up telling people it's cheaper to buy a new computer than fixing it. It's been getting a lot of attention lately in the news and social media, to the point where Apple going after a Youtuber of confiscating a parts ordered in China and telling them that those are counterfeit. I think this is their way of trying to ease out the tension and the success of the RIGHT TO REPAIR MOVEMENT, where 8 states already introduced RIGHT TO REPAIR LEGISLATION which Apple highly opposed to.
 
Looks quite long winded.

I remember buying a Core Solo Mac mini. I managed to upgrade the RAM and CPU to a Core 2 Duo. Just needed a wall paper scraper.

That was on the original Mac mini. For the newer ones you needed special pronged pry tool that you inserted through two holes and had to leverage the whole board out. You also needed 2 different Torx screwdrivers. They are included with the RAM upgrade from OWC.

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This process looks far easier than that of the previous Mac mini models.
 
Nah it’s probably to simplify parts sku management.

If the RAM was soldered, there would be 12 different logic board skus to keep in stock (3 cpu options x 4 ram options). That’s unwieldy for a product that likely isn’t going to have a huge sales volume.

By making the RAM seperate from the logic board, the number of logic board skus is reduced to just 3 - much more manageable.
No, its listening to people complaining.

If you were correct just think of all the skus there would be for hardware and software combined even ignoring the ram slots (assuming the motherboard is the same between the two versions available on the Apple site)
3 CPU X 5 SSD X 2 network = 30 SKU ( +- logic pro, +- final cut pro) = 120 SKU

So by your logic it would be better to have SSD, Memory, CPU, GPU etc available as sockets so that only one motherboard needs to be produced - AMEN to that.
 
Not only that there's a lot of cases when people brought their gadgets to Apple Store, they just ended up telling people it's cheaper to buy a new computer than fixing it. It's been getting a lot of attention lately in the news and social media, to the point where Apple going after a Youtuber of confiscating a parts ordered in China and telling them that those are counterfeit. I think this is their way of trying to ease out the tension and the success of the RIGHT TO REPAIR MOVEMENT, where 8 states already introduced RIGHT TO REPAIR LEGISLATION which Apple highly opposed to.

Uuuuuh the part you speak of, the battery, was in fact counterfeit. It came from a supplier that wasn't authorized by Apple to sell batteries to the public and had an Apple logo. It was 100% counterfeit and Apple had every right to have that stopped. Any company would have done the same. This isn't just an Apple thing.
 
based on that photo, looks like its storage is also user replacable (and easily!) with a standard NVME drive directly under the lid.

Any confirmation of that? or does the T2 chip prevent replacement of the drive?
 
I don't know about the US, but unlike everything Apple wants you to believe, in Germany opening the case of your computer and upgrading RAM modules would not void your warranty - that's the European law.
Exactly that. Just the new RAM will not be under Apple warranty (since it is not Apple RAM), and if you break anything (screwdriver scratching motherboard) while you do the upgrade, that's not covered under warranty. It's slightly challenging, but not a real problem as long as you are focused and don't have ten left thumbs instead of ten fingers.
 
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based on that photo, looks like its storage is also user replacable (and easily!) with a standard NVME drive directly under the lid.

Any confirmation of that? or does the T2 chip prevent replacement of the drive?

the t2 chip probably prevents it from booting without original storage
 
based on that photo, looks like its storage is also user replacable (and easily!) with a standard NVME drive directly under the lid.

Any confirmation of that? or does the T2 chip prevent replacement of the drive?
PikerAlpha, who to my knowledge has been working at Apple for a year or so, has said that RAM, SSD, WiFi, Bluetooth, and (!) CPU are all replacable. Needs to be confirmed, of course. (iFixit?)

https://pikeralpha.wordpress.com/2018/11/08/mac-mini-2018/
 
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Anyone seen 64 gb memory upgrade kits (32gb x2) available yet at reasonable prices? OWC is $1080
 
Uuuuuh the part you speak of, the battery, was in fact counterfeit. It came from a supplier that wasn't authorized by Apple to sell batteries to the public and had an Apple logo. It was 100% counterfeit and Apple had every right to have that stopped. Any company would have done the same. This isn't just an Apple thing.
I remember Apple buying 100 "Original Apple" chargers from Amazon, and _not one_ was an original Apple charger, and all but 20 were dangerous.
 
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PikerAlpha, who to my knowledge has been working at Apple for a year or so, has said that RAM, SSD, WiFi, Bluetooth, and (!) CPU are all replacable. Needs to be confirmed, of course. (iFixit?)

https://pikeralpha.wordpress.com/2018/11/08/mac-mini-2018/

I recall something being said about the T2 providing on the fly encryption that in some fashion links the SSD to the T2, perhaps some hardware to hardware certificate coded at the factory, that would likely cause issues if upgraded.
 
They "advertise" their engineers as the greatest minds of all, that accepts all challenges. Hard to believe they couldn't come up with a design that provided easy access to the RAM slots. Also, why solder the SSD card? So much for "can't innovate anymore my a..."
 
Ahhh...still unnecessary complicated/difficult to change ram on a "desktop" computer.
Compare this to the "Cube" - beautiful design and easy access to all parts.

https://apple-history.com/g4cube

Even though this is better than the last version, its not good enough.

The G4 Cube had a host of other issues. I wouldn't compare the two. That's like saying a 1980 LTD is easier to repair than a 2018 Focus. Sure, there's a ton more space to work in the older model, where the new one is a smaller package with things packed more tightly in there.

Why do people expect something as small and compact as the Mac mini to be easy to work on? Like all tightly packed tech, of course it's going to be more difficult than something like a huge desktop computer where 75% of the case is empty air. :rolleyes:
 
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PikerAlpha, who to my knowledge has been working at Apple for a year or so, has said that RAM, SSD, WiFi, Bluetooth, and (!) CPU are all replacable. Needs to be confirmed, of course. (iFixit?)

https://pikeralpha.wordpress.com/2018/11/08/mac-mini-2018/

based on that photo, looks like its storage is also user replacable (and easily!) with a standard NVME drive directly under the lid.

Any confirmation of that? or does the T2 chip prevent replacement of the drive?

Looking at about 6:15 into this video, that SSD looks pretty soldered to me:

 
I recall something being said about the T2 providing on the fly encryption that in some fashion links the SSD to the T2, perhaps some hardware to hardware certificate coded at the factory, that would likely cause issues if upgraded.
That could very well be. But encryption is always about the data, so it might work; maybe even cloning back to the new internal SSD might also work. As long as the T2 isn't damaged or replaced, the data (encrypted-at-rest) would still be readable. Or Apple releases a list of supported SSDs? I mean, they can't honestly say that the Mini is great for server work, and not ensure SSD replacement capability. That would be really weird.
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Looking at about 6:15 into this video, that SSD looks pretty soldered to me:

Allegedly it's all socketed.
 
Every time I read about a new apple product I think about switching to Linux. Especially when I can spec out a PC that is more beautiful, user upgrade-able and cheaper then the mini. Won't be as small but there are plenty of small enough cases like the Skyreach 4 MINI or Ncase.

Building your own PC is fun. But being able to easily upgrade components isn’t a high priority for me. I’d rather be able to make the original build have the components I want and then leave it alone. It seems to me the desire to upgrade Macs is mostly due to ridiculous prices for reasonable amounts of RAM or SSD. I’m also willing to pay a premium (not an exorbitant one) to get all of what I want built in a tight form factor.

I’d probably go Linux before Windows. I just hope I never get to the point where I’m seriously faced with that decision.
 
Just for comparison!


We're gonna use a device that we're all born with – we're born with ten of them.
We're gonna use our fingers. We're gonna touch this with our fingers.

— Steve Jobs​
 
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I don't need your lecture professor. I'm quite aware of the other options. Simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the "love" of the customers, as stated by the CEO, while at the same time choosing to gouge them. If you want to defend that practice, go right ahead.


People have been complaining about this for decades. If you find Apple’s prices too expensive, there are other options.
 
People have been complaining about this for decades. If you find Apple’s prices too expensive, there are other options.

I bet Apple is glad you don't work for them (or maybe you do?). Instead of Apple driving people to other brands with their high prices why not lower prices so more people can afford to buy Apple products? Apple could easily lower their prices by quite a bit while continuing to make high quality products. Just means that Timmy and his cronies in the board room won't take home as big a pay check.
 
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