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For those discussing SSD failure...couldn’t you still use this machine booted off an external boot disk should your SSD fail sometime in the 5+ years of ownership?
 
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The process of upgrading RAM is involved but with the right tools (much cheaper than paying Apple's RAM prices) will only take about 5-10 minutes. Replacing the RAM could be much easier but this isn't that bad. I know many would be put off from attempting it but this looks easier than "building" your own computer (I've done that a number of times).
 
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All of the written articles, including the one on iFixit, say that a Pentalobe P5 screwdriver is needed to change out the RAM. People who have done it are saying otherwise. If there's a use for a P5 in the process, it would be nice to know what it is.
 
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No, that is truly coming in 2020 when Apple transitions to their own silicon...
Huh? So the T2 is not Apple's own custom chip? And as today, back in the 8 and 16 bit eras different brands DID share CPUs (ATARI, Commodore, Apple used 6502 and the 68000 series). Just their custom chips were exclusive. POKEY, SID, Paula...
 
All of the written articles, including the one on iFixit, say that a Pentalobe P5 screwdriver is needed to change out the RAM. People who have done it are saying otherwise. If there's a use for a P5 in the process, it would be nice to know what it is.

Agree. Came to the forum to ask same thing.
 
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That interior design is MUCH better than previous models. It's easy-peasy to get into and out of. I changed drives on the 2012 and it was hell on earth.

I'm shocked--SHOCKED--they didn't redesign the Mini into a smaller package, due to all the free room in there... wait, this is Cook's Apple, so I'm NOT surprised.
If you can reuse the case, why change? besides its quite small already and it is custom sized for rack servers. So if it is good, why change for change's sake?
 
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I'll void the warranty on a $500 or maybe even $800 machine to upgrade RAM, but an i7 2018 mini with the TB SSD is $1900 even before I upgrade the RAM.
 
We love (to screw) our customers, they could have designed it differently to make it easy to upgrade.

While I understand a CEO needs to please the investors by increasing revenues and margins the Tim Cook age seems to only be about taking advantage of the customers.
Yes, because Apple was famous for its repairability and ease of component access under Jobs.
 
I watched the video - it's hardly plug and play! So not for the untrained.
 
Yes, because Apple was famous for its repairability and ease of component access under Jobs.

Compared to Cook era Macs, Job era Macs were a kit-bashers dream.

It is really unfortunate that this new Mini doesn't use socketed CPU and SSD parts. There was easily space.
 
Huh? So the T2 is not Apple's own custom chip?

T2 is. He was referring to the intel processors. Rumors are Apple will ultimately put their own processors such as the ones they use in the iPad Pro's (A12X) into all their Macs and ditch Intel. I hope this doesn't happen.
 
I worry about the airflow on the top models.

Both my top spec minis sized up due to thermal issues while an old i5 model still soldiers along...
Me too. The new models probably won't seize up, but will throttle back very quickly like the iMac Pro. So you'd get a fast processor only for burst, but not for continuous demanding tasks like rendering. I'd stick to the low end Mac Mini or wait for a Mac Pro with better heat management.
 
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Nah it’s probably to simplify parts sku management.

If the RAM was soldered, there would be 12 different logic board skus to keep in stock (3 cpu options x 4 ram options). That’s unwieldy for a product that likely isn’t going to have a huge sales volume.

By making the RAM seperate from the logic board, the number of logic board skus is reduced to just 3 - much more manageable.
And five SSD options...that makes 60 logic boards. Fewer if the SSD choices are limited to some CPU and RAM options of course...as has been the case in the past. Even now you can't get an i5 with a 128GB SSD.
 
don't understand why anyone would annoy themselves with this when they can build a hackintsosh for a fraction of the price with way better specs. I like apple but with the way they're going with non-friendly upgrades on components that are supposed to be easily upgradeable so they charge up the A for extra RAM is something im not going to support anymore.

Replacing the RAM in a Mac Mini is orders of magnitude easier than getting a "hackintosh" running and keeping it running.
 
Still an un-upgradable, poor cooling, soldered in place brick. This is why so many people are building their own hackintoshes when Apple kicks this out as a great achievement. Can't we just get a real case with upgradable components Apple?
 
There is an additional option for upgrading RAM in the Mac Mini, buy from an Authorized Service/Resell Provider that is willing to use third party RAM, such as Macmall. We have done this in the past numerous times and while slightly (about $10-$20) more expensive than doing it yourself, it is still substantially less than Apple charges and saves a ton of headache.
 
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Maybe it is to prevent someone from pulling out the electronics and damaging the RAM or to ensure that the RAM had been completely seated.
Apple would not have put a shield in in for that reason since the Mini is officially not user serviceable. And they wouldn't have added it unless it was necessary. I suspect some type of RF interference.
However, I'm curious about the necessity of the rubber pads around the RAM. There's only one moving part susceptible to cause vibrations (the fan). No HDD or optical drives like the old days, when cushioning the RAM was not seen as necessary. It seems a bit overkill just to keep the shield in place.
 
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Any word on the SSD yet? I believe I saw on here somewhere that it was standard PCIE now.

It's PCIE in terms of how it talks to the processor, but it looks like the chips are soldered on to the board. Apple has never used a standard m.2 slot for SSDs on their computers, even though NVMe is essentially just PCIE SSD storage in a standardized format. It's sad, because what Apple charges for storage upgrades border on usury. A 512GB Samsung Evo 970 Pro, which is likely a smidge faster than what Apple's using goes for under $200 now.

The ONE saving grace is that you can essentially use the built-in drive as a boot drive, then get a Thunderbolt if you need more fast storage, or a SATA SSD enclosure if speed isn't AS MUCH of a concern (e.g. for media streaming). You could always combine all 3 options, too, to mix and match capacity and speed: On-board storage to boot, NVMe/Thunderbolt storage for applications, and SATA/USB-3.0 storage for photos, videos, etc.
 
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So I got my new Mini yesterday, long story short my Apple keyboard and trackpad won't authentic over bluetooth, it can't see either devices, nor can it see my Logitech K380 keyboard. I used Single-user Recovery mode with the following commands "pmset -a restoredefaults, nvram -c" to reset the SMC and PRAM but still not working, can't see my keyboards or trackpad. Now from doing some research it seems the SMC is coupled to the new T2 chip, so I found some instructions on how to erase the information on the T2 but decided not to go that route. I'm curious to see what/if someone has an insight into this issue. Thanks
 
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