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Environmentalists take aim at GM's civilian version of US military Humvee
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Those diesel pickups use less fuel and deliver better performance in a more reliable engine. And the fuel is what's dirty, not the engine. US sulfur standards are nowhere near the Euro ones.
Actually I have no problem with SUVs aside from the massive size of the higher end models. The size of some of these trucks are getting to ridiculous proportions when compared to residential streets. The small to mid size models do not bother me a bit.
Absolutely right, the engines are incredibly efficient in them. This still leaves the problem of fuel pollution and noise pollution.
jayscheuerle
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Sure, they serve a purpose, but seldom is that purpose utilitarian. Most often they're status-oriented, intimidation machines. You're obviously an exception. Glad you like the vehicle, and in your case (with 5 kids!), no manhood extension is needed!
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Massive size aside, you just need to live with the fact that people have the choice and option to buy vehicles that they like and enjoy. If someone enjoys driving a RV (recreational vehicle) day-in and day-out, why should that matter?
Think of an SUV as a mini-RV.
Fuel pollution and noise pollution are not a constant for diesel engines. The clacking you hear is of the valve train, you could adjust those to be less noisy. Same with the fuel system, they can be adjusted as well.
What needs to be done is to change the stigma that diesel engines are dirty and noisy. That would require advertising effort. Same thing required to get more people to buy Macintoshes.
Not true or I'd be able to buy and drive a surplus tank to work. If I like and enjoy that vehicle, why can't I use it to run errands?
The government has a right and a duty to protect us from other people's disregard for their fellow man.
Think of an SUV as a mini-RV.
I don't know anyone that would drive their RV to work, alone, everyday.
The new Chrysler station wagon isn't selling well, not SUV-like enough.
Seems like the station wagon alternative to SUVs will sell just as well as hatchbacks until they are turned into mini SUVs.
Even though the wagons and hatchbacks have all the utility that SUV buyers look for, buyers still will turn their noses up at them.
Though the sport wagons and sporty hatchbacks seem to do a lot better.
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Look's like www.sprinter.com is back up. Of course this is a real Mercedes utility/passenger van. With a motor built for the long haul.
Seems like the station wagon alternative to SUVs will sell just as well as hatchbacks until they are turned into mini SUVs.
Even though the wagons and hatchbacks have all the utility that SUV buyers look for, buyers still will turn their noses up at them.
Though the sport wagons and sporty hatchbacks seem to do a lot better.
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Look's like www.sprinter.com is back up. Of course this is a real Mercedes utility/passenger van. With a motor built for the long haul.
Governments do not have rights!!! The only thing governments have are powers, which are granted to it by the people with the consent of the people.
Duty are what citizens have for their fellow citizens. Collectively, it would gather at the government.
Mini Cooper
Just give me a Mini Cooper. No H2-Really-Just-the-GM-Frame-But-Uglier or Hummer. I want 40 miles to the gallon in a reasonably priced vehicle tiny non-road hogging vehicle.
And yes, iJon, even though your friends drive BMWs, you're still a far cry from my (former) 1987 Honda Accord. The accord was replaced by my family's 1987 Ford Econoline. Thankfully, that was replaced by my current Specialized.
Just give me a Mini Cooper. No H2-Really-Just-the-GM-Frame-But-Uglier or Hummer. I want 40 miles to the gallon in a reasonably priced vehicle tiny non-road hogging vehicle.
And yes, iJon, even though your friends drive BMWs, you're still a far cry from my (former) 1987 Honda Accord. The accord was replaced by my family's 1987 Ford Econoline. Thankfully, that was replaced by my current Specialized.
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You should show your mom the Mini Cooper safety ratings. 4 stars across the board isn't bad. It may be small, but it's designed well enough that it won't kill you in a collision. And it's actually pretty roomy inside. Personally, the only reason I would be concerned is that so many people get SUVs in an attempt to be "Oh, they're safer," without looking at things like rollovers...
On another note, trees do make oxygen. There is oxygen in the desert because the world is a biosphere. There wouldn't be oxygen in the desert without trees.
You should show your mom the Mini Cooper safety ratings. 4 stars across the board isn't bad. It may be small, but it's designed well enough that it won't kill you in a collision. And it's actually pretty roomy inside. Personally, the only reason I would be concerned is that so many people get SUVs in an attempt to be "Oh, they're safer," without looking at things like rollovers...
On another note, trees do make oxygen. There is oxygen in the desert because the world is a biosphere. There wouldn't be oxygen in the desert without trees.
jayscheuerle
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- and most likely killed by someone driving an SUV who was less cautious on the road because they subconsciously figured that they can be more reckless and aggressive while piloting a more dominant vehicle.
Most small cars like Minis are pretty safe for their size. It's when they're involved with a vehicle that is figured to be a giant suit of armor for its occupants that they often come out worse off.
Since at 17 years old, you're most likely to be the cause of any accident you're involved with, your parents are providing you with more of an offensive weapon than defensive protection. You've remarked yourself how you like to drive fast...
The only one who makes out from a crash of two disparately sized vehicles is the mortician.
- and most likely killed by someone driving an SUV who was less cautious on the road because they subconsciously figured that they can be more reckless and aggressive while piloting a more dominant vehicle.
Most small cars like Minis are pretty safe for their size. It's when they're involved with a vehicle that is figured to be a giant suit of armor for its occupants that they often come out worse off.
Since at 17 years old, you're most likely to be the cause of any accident you're involved with, your parents are providing you with more of an offensive weapon than defensive protection. You've remarked yourself how you like to drive fast...
The only one who makes out from a crash of two disparately sized vehicles is the mortician.
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iJon
your right, chances are i would be the cause of any accident. but about me driving fast, yes i do drive fast, but only on open highways that ive driven on many times before. i dont drive fast in the city or in resedential areas for the fear of getting pulled over and injuring someone. but i know i know, im already the worse guy on this page, i had an acura for a first car, i drive fast and my family owns a gigantic suburban and motorhome. oh well, cant make everyone happy.
iJon
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iJon
thanks ill have to show her that, but she really wants my next car to be japanese, we have had best luck with them. i know about the whole trees thing, but i just found it silly of her to sit in a tree because a couple were gonna be cut down for kohl's, its not like it was the tropical rain forest. plus in my area there are more trees than many years ago, and from looking out in back of my area we have more trees than probable all of south utah which i visit every year.
iJon