Eos m

[firestarter]

So, good to hear Canon is apparently getting ready to take the first step on the mirrorless arena.

Yes. And for me, it'll be great if this confirms that Canon have a serious offering that lets me use my current range of EF lenses in a realistic manner. Manufacturers like Canon need to accept that mirrorless is the way it's going, so they need to offer their customers a migration path and some high quality options.

Nikon failed by producing a cynical marketing-driven camera with a tiny sensor in an attempt to try and keep people buying SLRs. I think they'll come to regret that.

And joke aside, well, mirorless cameras are supposed to look small and plastic.

This.

If you want big and/or a viewfinder, get an SLR.

 

[OreoCookie]

If you want big and/or a viewfinder, get an SLR.

I've played with the OM-D and the X Pro 1 for the first time today, and they're decently sized (for me that means they're not too small) and both have good viewfinders.

 

[maflynn]

I've played with the OM-D and the X Pro 1 for the first time today, and they're decently sized (for me that means they're not too small) and both have good viewfinders.

I have the OM-D and the view finder is awesome, its not quite on par as the Sony NEX-7 but its pretty close.

btw, I love the my OM-D - great camera

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Lack of EVF though is a minus and w/o dials to control it will no doubt infuriate owners expecting more.

Similar complaints for the Nikon's mirror-less camera

 

[OreoCookie]

I have the OM-D and the view finder is awesome, its not quite on par as the Sony NEX-7 but its pretty close.

btw, I love the my OM-D - great camera

I own a D7000 and due to a combination of factors (new mountain bike, move abroad), I won't be able to upgrade my camera equipment any time soon, but I was pleasantly surprised how quick the Olympus is. Granted, the one I tried in the shop had a 25 mm prime on it, but still, it's easily getting into dslr territory. The Fujis were clearly slower (think compact), but if you have handled them, you know that they're built for a different way of shooting. It's a pity, I can't shell out money for a used X100

But to be honest, if a year-and-a-half ago, Olympus had already released the OM-D, I would have been seriously tempted to go that route instead of sticking to Nikon.

 

[paolo-]

I think the lens system is good. Anything less than APS-C would be stupid for Canon. The camera needs to be able to use the full range of Canon lenses. The lenses Hopefully it really is APS-C and not G1-X sized. I also hope that the camera doesn't need an adaptor in order to fit EF-S and EF mount lenses.

I'm jealous that that camera gets a sweet wide/normal decently fast prime on launch. I'm still pissed about the fact that there is no EF-S prime. Really, nothing to compete with Nikon's 280$ 35mm f/1.8 crop lens. Hopefully we'll see an EF-S fast pancake soon... Really, it seems like most of Canon's is made for people with FF cameras.

Also, there's a leaked photo of a zoom and flash for it http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/07/canon-ef-m-18-55-is-lens-image/ . Seems to have a better build quality than the EF-S version (not sure about price).

That being said, the body doesn't hit the mark. I don't see how you can really sell a point and shoot that you can change lenses on to the average customer. And I don't see how you can sell a camera without a viewfinder and the controls (I'm guessing it has a touch screen) of a P&S to an amateur or enthusiast shooter when you can compare it to the other current mirroless offerings.

Bottom line, I think EF-M will be great. I'm pissed off at Canon's lens selection for crop bodies. The currently shown body is very underwhelming, hopefully it's the entry level model and has a very low price tag.

 

[rusty2192]

canonrumors added a list of supposed specs:


Canon EOS M Specifications
The Canon EOS M that launches tomorrow will have the following specifications. Beyond the camera, the system will launch with 2 lenses, the EF-M 22 f/2 STM & EF-M 18-55 IS. It will also launch with a new flash, the EX 90 and an EF lens adaptor.

18mp APS-C
DIGIC V
ISO 100-12800 (25,600 Expansion)
3″ Touchscreen 1.04million pixels
Phase & Contrast AF
Video Servo AF
1920×1080 Video 30p/25p/24p
1280×720 Video 60p/50p
MPEG-4, AVC/H.264
SD Card
Adaptor at launch for EF lenses

Additional specs from [DCI]

Hand-held Twilight mode, to help with long exposures in low light.
Multi-shot noise reduction function that helps reduce the noise by combining four images.
The usual creative filters
HDR mode to synthesize three different exposures
Camera size: 66.5mm (width) 108.6mm (height) x 32.3mm (depth)
The weight (body only) 262g, (including battery and memory card) 298g

 

[Prodo123]

canonrumors added a list of supposed specs:


Canon EOS M Specifications
The Canon EOS M that launches tomorrow will have the following specifications. Beyond the camera, the system will launch with 2 lenses, the EF-M 22 f/2 STM & EF-M 18-55 IS. It will also launch with a new flash, the EX 90 and an EF lens adaptor.

18mp APS-C
DIGIC V
ISO 100-12800 (25,600 Expansion)
3″ Touchscreen 1.04million pixels
Phase & Contrast AF
Video Servo AF
1920×1080 Video 30p/25p/24p
1280×720 Video 60p/50p
MPEG-4, AVC/H.264
SD Card
Adaptor at launch for EF lenses

Additional specs from [DCI]

Hand-held Twilight mode, to help with long exposures in low light.
Multi-shot noise reduction function that helps reduce the noise by combining four images.
The usual creative filters
HDR mode to synthesize three different exposures
Camera size: 66.5mm (width) 108.6mm (height) x 32.3mm (depth)
The weight (body only) 262g, (including battery and memory card) 298g

Just wondering, how is this camera going to manage phase contrast without a beam splitter?

 

[mulo]

Just wondering, how is this camera going to manage phase contrast without a beam splitter?

phase detection in the sensor, like the 650D has, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if it was the exact same sensor.

 

[Prodo123]

phase detection in the sensor, like the 650D has

Ah, never noticed that.
Good for Canon!

 

[firestarter]

canonrumors added a list of supposed specs:


Canon EOS M Specifications
The Canon EOS M that launches tomorrow will have the following specifications. Beyond the camera, the system will launch with 2 lenses, the EF-M 22 f/2 STM & EF-M 18-55 IS. It will also launch with a new flash, the EX 90 and an EF lens adaptor.

18mp APS-C
DIGIC V
ISO 100-12800 (25,600 Expansion)
3″ Touchscreen 1.04million pixels
Phase & Contrast AF
Video Servo AF
1920×1080 Video 30p/25p/24p
1280×720 Video 60p/50p
MPEG-4, AVC/H.264
SD Card
Adaptor at launch for EF lenses

Additional specs from [DCI]

Hand-held Twilight mode, to help with long exposures in low light.
Multi-shot noise reduction function that helps reduce the noise by combining four images.
The usual creative filters
HDR mode to synthesize three different exposures

If those are the specs then my (relatively new) Panasonic GX-1 is going to be going on eBay. If I can get the same body size, but full EF compatibility (and a much better sensor) then it's a no-brainer.

Camera size: 66.5mm (width) 108.6mm (height) x 32.3mm (depth)
The weight (body only) 262g, (including battery and memory card) 298g

From the Panasonic GX-1 specs:

Dimensions 116mm x 68 mm x 39 mm (4.58 x 2.67 x 1.55 in)
Weight (camera body) Approx. 272 g (9.59 oz)

So the Canon is smaller in all dimensions and slightly lighter! If the EF-M 22 f2 is half decent it'll be an easy swap-out for my Panasonic 20 f1.7.

 

[salacious]

so would anyone say this camera is better than the 600d for filming?

 

[Kebabselector]

It's official then....

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/photo-news/538960/canon-eos-m-joins-csc-bandwagon

 

[steveash]

This camera seems a bit of a miss for me. Although the idea of a compact camera with a decent sensor and the ability to take my EF lenses is appealing it stops being pocketable once you have anything over a pancake lens. The price published this morning is a touch more than the 650D which I would think is a much more capable camera. Maybe I'm just not the target market but the Olympus OM-D looks much more appealing for not a lot more.

 

[robbieduncan]

It's a bit pricey and a bit lacking in external controls (I want dials that I can use with gloves on) for me. But it's an interesting first effort. I want to see their OM-D equivalent body...

 

[awair]

Looks like a potentially useful second body, but for me this would be a tripod-only device.

I haven't been taking photos seriously for a while, but how are you supposed to keep a stable shot without a viewfinder, and touching the screen for changing options?

 

[robbieduncan]

Looks like a potentially useful second body, but for me this would be a tripod-only device.

I haven't been taking photos seriously for a while, but how are you supposed to keep a stable shot without a viewfinder, and touching the screen for changing options?

Well you don't change options whilst the shot is being taken. People manage to use this sort of camera right now so it must be possible...

 

[OreoCookie]

It's a bit pricey and a bit lacking in external controls (I want dials that I can use with gloves on) for me. But it's an interesting first effort. I want to see their OM-D equivalent body...

Ditto. If that body ever comes to light, I may find myself switching to Canon (gasp!). Nikon painted itself into a corner when they made a body with such a small sensor.

 

[awair]

Well you don't change options whilst the shot is being taken.

My 2nd point was aimed more at video, but for the first, using an (LCD) display is going to be considerably more limiting than holding a viewfinder to your eye, which creates a natural tripod.

There seems to be considerable talk of 'mirrorless' being the future:

I hope not! Inevitable, maybe as one solution, but certainly not ideal for many scenarios.

 

[ToddSD]

I have a Canon DSLR, and I just recently (two weeks ago!) picked up an Olympus E-P3. I haven't had a chance to put the latter through the wringer yet, but my first impressions of it are very, very positive.

So, should I have waited to get the EOS-M? No. At first glance the APS-C sized sensor may seem to be like a great idea, but I think it's a huge (pun intended) mistake. To give myself an idea of how the system might look and feel, I held a piece of my EF-S glass next to my E-P3 body. What an unwieldly combo! It's just too big a lens for the small body. When dealing with a lens the size of something in the EF family, having it attached to a DSLR form factor is a plus. The small lens size afforded by the m43 sensor makes for a much more workable system.

The native pancake lens may be one thing, but an EF lens plus adapter, plus small body with no physical controls doesn't seem like a particularly enjoyable experience. I'm certainly going to want to see this in person to see if my impression are correct, but I can't say I'm particularly interested in this.

 

[driftless]

Further to this...

I measured the sensor dimensions in the leaked photos and came up with approx 97x66 pixels for the active sensor area.

This is pretty much 3:2, and hints at an APS-C format sensor, not the 4:3 aspect ratio sensor employed in Canon's G1-X.

Here's DPreview's handy comparison image:

Image

I received an email from B&H this morning and it is an APS-C sensor. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/883304-REG/Canon_6609b033_EOS_M_Digital_Camera_with.html

I agree with those who have posted that the lack of controls and EVF position it as a consumer P&S alternative. Another poster suggested that Canon can always release more cameras in this series. Sort of like the 3 cameras in the Oly Pen series. Olympus has stated that there will be more cameras in OM-D line in the future.

 

[driftless]

Another email this morning was from dpreview.com It is a sample of the shutter sound, which seems to me to be weak content for a video. It does, however, give us a look at the EOS M in someone's hands to show scale. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbgbks2JuSs&feature=em-uploademail

 

[nutmac]

Although I would've liked to see reticulating LCD and/or smaller body, it seems to be pretty decent body overall. The lens selection is disappointing however, especially given slower focus speed on EF-M 22mm.

 

[spacepower7]

What is the multiplier with the EF adapter? I didn't read this whole thread but didn't see it mentioned on any other site.

Who is this product aimed at?

I also never saw info about the HDMI output, full signal or another pos?

 

[nutmac]

What is the multiplier with the EF adapter? I didn't read this whole thread but didn't see it mentioned on any other site.

Who is this product aimed at?

I also never saw info about the HDMI output, full signal or another pos?

1.6X. It is essentially EOS 650D/T4i, using same APS-C sensor and all.

 

[rusty2192]

What is the multiplier with the EF adapter? I didn't read this whole thread but didn't see it mentioned on any other site.

Who is this product aimed at?

I also never saw info about the HDMI output, full signal or another pos?

1.6X. It is essentially EOS 650D/T4i, using same APS-C sensor and all.

nutmac is correct, the crop factor for the whole camera is 1.6x for the APS-C sensor size. The adapter itself has no glass, it simply mounts between the lens and the body, so there is no magnification from it like there would be with a teleconverter.