you do. you just read the story and took the time to comment. that in itself indicates that you care.
me, i care because i like exposing the truth -- the spec is for proper End of Life recycling, not do-it-yerself repair guides.
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you do. you just read the story and took the time to comment. that in itself indicates that you care.
me, i care because i like exposing the truth -- the spec is for proper End of Life recycling, not do-it-yerself repair guides.
The EPEAT standards aren't primarily about serviceability. They're about a product's environmental impact from cradle to grave. The rMBP is, according to the lab which did the analysis, safely and easily stripped for recycling with tools anyone can buy. In addition to that, the rMBP is made almost completely of easily recycled materials.
The standard *already* allowed upgradeability via external busses (such as Firewire and USB).
In fact, there's no evidence, despite the claims you've made, that the standard has been changed *at all* as a result of any of this. If you *have* any actual evidence (supposition and unsupported claims aren't evidence), please provide it.
And finally, the rMBP most certainly *is* serviceable. If it weren't then the end result of taking it to Apple for any problem would be getting a brand new laptop in exchange for it. (It couldn't even be a refurb, because that requires *servicing* the unit to repair whatever defect caused it to be returned.) Since we know that's not the case (because Apple can send spare parts to service depots), you're blowing hot air.
Heck, from my perspective, the Unibody line of MacBook Pros are the most easily *self*-serviced laptops I've ever seen. Given the replacement part, you can swap it out in fewer steps (on average) than any other laptop I've had the misfortune to have to repair. (My work laptop, a Dell, had to have the motherboard replaced. By the time it was accessed, dozens of screws had been removed, and there were almost two-dozen components sitting on the table next to the casing.
The only drama here is iFixit losing potential sales. They're the only ones making a big hubub about it all. It was said in the last thread and probably needs to be said again -- EOL is all that matters for EPEAT. It can easily be recycled when done into core components. That's all that matters.
Repairability and modification are different stories. Truth be told, it's very repairable, just by Apple. Just because third parties are having a harder time repairing or modifying it doesn't mean it's somehow bad.
Repairability and modification are different stories. Truth be told, it's very repairable, just by Apple. Just because third parties are having a harder time repairing or modifying it doesn't mean it's somehow bad.
...can you provide us w/ a single shred of evidence that they changed the spec? because this release makes it clear that they did not.
anxiously awaiting your research.
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not as stupid as the response to someone's response to someone saying "Who cares"
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bingo. EOL spec.
all these angsty conspiracist kids will have to come up w/ something new.
Why all the hate on iFixIt? They provide a valuable service, IMO. Once my stuff is out of warranty, it is much much cheaper to fix stuff myself using their tools and guides than pay an Apple authorized repair center.
Most normal people can't afford a brand new $2000 laptop when the warranty is expired and something broke or they want to upgrade RAM or HDD.
Most normal people can't afford a brand new $2000 laptop when the warranty is expired and something broke or they want to upgrade RAM or HDD.
Just so we're clear. The 2 colored phrases above are the same thing. Ooh, so is the bold one.
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Hopefully until the end of the world. Duh.
It is even cheaper to buy the same thing on ebay for 1/10 of the price. Or 1/5, or something similarly less overpriced
iFixit has a good point. EPEAT has a good point. EPEAT publicly invited iFixit to contribute their concerns in the next round or rule-making. EPEAT does good work defining open standards and evaluating compliance to help inform institutional purchasers.
People have some weird urge to turn the whole thing into a scandal or a conspiracy when it is actually a public debate about how best to improve an open standard.
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So I assume you also oppose the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, and the ISO 14,000 standards.
People have some weird urge to turn the whole thing into a scandal or a conspiracy when it is actually a public debate about how best to improve an open standard.
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So I assume you also oppose the Clean Air Act, the Clean Water Act, and the ISO 14,000 standards.
This would have been a huge deal 5 or 10 years ago, when software was leaping and hardware was unable to keep up; hence you needed to upgrade your RAM and hard disk at some point to add more life to your PC or laptop.
That said, and thanks to the fact that the majority of tasks now can be achieved via an internet connection or a web browser (or app), people are less likely to upgrade their laptop but are more likely to keep their laptop for longer periods of time. Perhaps this is EPTA's reason; the Macbook is a premiere device that has YEARS of usage on it.
That said, and thanks to the fact that the majority of tasks now can be achieved via an internet connection or a web browser (or app), people are less likely to upgrade their laptop but are more likely to keep their laptop for longer periods of time. Perhaps this is EPTA's reason; the Macbook is a premiere device that has YEARS of usage on it.
theres nothing wrong w/ the service iFixIt provides; have used it myself. the problem is when their CEO, Kyle, writes publicized articles on WIRED claiming that apple fudged their specs in order to get their products based. the reality, as this article points out, is different from his story. he seems to be confusing user-repairability w/ recyclability and end-of-life (EOL) design. he profits from one of those goals but not the other.
Don't know about the 8600, but the 8800 that came with my Mac Pro tower was crap. Had two die on me in quick succession, the original and the Apple Care provided replacement. Two graphics cards in 3 years, not a good failure rate.
...not. pointing out when ifixit's owner Kyle is talking out of his ass doesnt make one an isheep. it means hes talking about of his ass again.
his latest claim was that apple "greenwashed" their laptops into the program; when in reality the program is rating recyclability and EOL disassembly...NOT user-serviceability, which is his buisness.
curmudgeon32 said: "How long do you think we'll be able to keep this up?"
Keep what up? Designing completely recyclable products? Using clean energy to do it with? What are you talking about? Things are designed differently for a reason. To make them smaller, thinner, longer battery life etc. The fact that you can't fix them is meaningless as long as they are completely recyclable. What is it that you want? Are you a Quaker? You want to stop progress at the point where everything has to be fixable by you and you're drinking buddy in the garage? Please...
But... they're still ********. I work in an industry where these third-party "deciders" (more like the MPAA, a shadow ******** org) make decisions and call themselves an accrediting bureau but it's all just smoke and mirrors, they make money but inventing their own cottage industry of being arbitrators of yes or no. Sadly in my industry there's many of these that spring up and then idiots like my employer and others go "well, if it's certified by B.S. Accreditation Services then it's got to be legit." Um, no, it's not, it's crap.
So while 'warm fuzzies' isn't the right word, maybe a "reacharound" or "because I say so" or some other type of phrasing that fits for the fact orgs like this hurt progress and usually work on shadow deals and takes. They shouldn't have any bearing on reality and the sooner big business or government looks to set it's own sets of standards and stops looking to shysters like this, the better.
The first thing to need replacing in laptops is the battery and as iFixit showed the retina MBP battery is a nightmare to change, which pretty much makes it a disposable computer. The air faired better. My 2006 MBP is on its third battery, 2nd hard drive and had one ram upgrade. I have bought a 2012 air but wouldn't have done without knowing I could change the battery and SSD.
So, if I read this right, they lowered the standards so apple would come back? So others who didn't qualified and now make it due to watered down standards? Must have been allot of money exchanging hands for this deal.
In fairness, EOL disassembly is at least loosely linked to user serviceability. Its the glueing things together that caused servicing issues on the rMBP and the same issue will apply to EOL disassembly and recycling. Ideally at the end of life you need to be able to separate the nasty battery away from elements that are worth recycling.
I will never EVER buy a computer from Apple that's not fully recyclable. They should really be ashamed, putting design as a priority over environment? Would Steve have stood for this? They should just discontinue the retina MacBook, and apologize (which they've gotten good at recently). Will the 13" have the same non-recyclability? I'm really starting to hate this company.
Industry Group
If you want a standard etched in stone, you need legislation and a treaty with universal standards for all. This is an industry group, not an activist group. They will certify a device for a governmental or commercial group to purchase this or that device and the purchaser won't get scolded. "But it's EPEAT!" I don't know what you expect, but an industry group's views of standards are a reflection of the whole group, and if a sizable enough faction kicks its feet hard enough, it changes. I don't, frankly, see the standard that the tech is fixable by anybody with a standard screwdriver as necessarily very important at all. It should be reparable, and something you can take apart and reuse in a green way. But Mr. iFixit seems to have a case of zeal.
If you want a standard etched in stone, you need legislation and a treaty with universal standards for all. This is an industry group, not an activist group. They will certify a device for a governmental or commercial group to purchase this or that device and the purchaser won't get scolded. "But it's EPEAT!" I don't know what you expect, but an industry group's views of standards are a reflection of the whole group, and if a sizable enough faction kicks its feet hard enough, it changes. I don't, frankly, see the standard that the tech is fixable by anybody with a standard screwdriver as necessarily very important at all. It should be reparable, and something you can take apart and reuse in a green way. But Mr. iFixit seems to have a case of zeal.