EPEAT Verifies Retina MacBook Pro Eligibility for Environmental Registry

[Anuba]

No, if you've seen his other posts, you can tell that he's not being sarcastic.

Really? Damn, I thought the "...Apple's sales and most importantly for all of us, its profits" part was a dead giveaway since nobody in his right mind would consider Apple's profits the #1 priority for all of humanity or Apple's customer base. That stuff reads like North Korean propaganda.

 

[faroZ06]

Really? ****, I thought the "...Apple's sales and most importantly for all of us, its profits" part was a dead giveaway since nobody in his right mind would consider Apple's profits the #1 priority for all of humanity or Apple's customer base. That stuff reads like North Korean propaganda.

I think he's referring to MacRumors users, almost all of whom use at least one Apple product, completely all if you eliminate trolls. If someone is a Mac user, it would be good for him if the Mac gains market share. There are obvious exceptions, though, and it's probably only very slightly good at best for most that Apple's MBPR is EPEAT-compliant.

But look at his other posts. There's no way he's being sarcastic unless there are two people using the same account. https://forums.macrumors.com/search/?searchid=30761106

 

[Jayse]

The 15" retina pro is the worst computer I have ever owned.
And haveing an environment registry won't make the computer any better.

Disappointed all round.

I'd consider my retina MBP the BEST computer I've ever owned.

 

[darkplanets]

The 15" retina pro is the worst computer I have ever owned.
And haveing an environment registry won't make the computer any better.

Disappointed all round.

Huh, I consider it the best I've had. What's your gripes with the hardware? Software would then make it OS level, not the rMBP specifically.

 

[macs4nw]

.....So you want that new game? Yeah, put in more RAM, but you can't upgrade your GPU. So you want to have a better screen? You can't upgrade your screen in your laptop, but even if you could, it would require a new GPU, which would require higher bus speeds and therefore more cooling. The point is: every 3 years pretty much every single thing in your computer will go obsolete, might as well throw the whole thing away and get a brand new one, instead of upgrading part by part. I'm not saying this is a good thing, but it's just the way it is: computers are going obsolete too fast, and there is no longer a point in upgrading them.

Yes, use it as long as it does the job for you, and then sell it, or pass it along to someone else for a possible few more years of service; good or bad, that's how it is these days, and not only with computers of course, but pretty much all consumer electronics. Technology is evolving at such break-neck speed, that no product can seem to keep us happy for more than a few years. There's always that latest, greatest thing we HAVE to have.

.....but I suspect that like most people who own Apple products, you end up keeping them and using them, passing the old down to someone else, or selling them to someone who will continue to use them. That $400 Dell/HP/Lenovo/Asus laptop is the more likely product to hit the recycling system in big numbers given they're made cheap with the expectation that they'll be replaced in a couple of years - recycled or tossed because they're not worth keeping after that.

And if recyclers are simply doing nothing to change how they recycle over the next 3+ years, then aren't they part of the problem?

True, and true.

 

[MacDav]

Whoopty dee

 

[mdgm]

If they'd failed the Retina MBP it would have put pressure on Apple to mend it's ways and make RAM upgradeable again.

If Apple had put the Retina display on the old design MBP I would have bought one. As it is I'm still waiting undecided as to what to get. I want some features only available on the non-Retina MBP and some features only available on the Retina MBP.

 

[GermanyChris]

That was money well spent by Apple

 

[Tech198]

Next, it will be the iPad 3 which is EPEAT It was a "mistake" for the Macbook Pro retina ..... Really... u think ??

Maybe it was also a mistake for Apple to be soo quick to pull it in the first place.. Makes you wonder of though if it can be done to ultra-books, why it can't also be applied to iPad 3 too. I mean the screen of the Retina is glued.

Is this saying you can't do it ? When the tools and guides, available @ ifixit can easily do.

This would also go against too. but it can be done.... Even on the iPad 3.

 

[the read]

Huh, I consider it the best I've had. What's your gripes with the hardware? Software would then make it OS level, not the rMBP specifically.

1- The lack of Ethernet has turned into a big issue for me. The adapters are poorly made. Ive been through 3 in the past 4 months. The USB adapter only supports 100mb. The thunderbolt cable is very flimsy and constantly disconnecting through the weight of the connecting cable. Wifi is too slow for the data I need to transfer on and off the network.

2- The Retina screen is a big disappointment. On booting up the machine and after logging in, the screen goes black and then a hard reset is required to get is working again. This can happen 3 or 4 times when the computer is cold. The OS is not fully optimized to work at the high resolutions expected from the screen. At the high settings the screen has a slight ghost and blur rendering it useless for the colour and graphics work I do.

3- The batary power runs down so quickly that being away from a electric point for longer than 2 hours is not possible.

4- I kept getting electric shoks from the case, this has stopped in the past month? Not sure why.

I know others have reported similar issues. It's very clear to me that Apple have not done full due diligence on this redesigned laptop.

All in I'm very disappointed with it. As far as OSX, other than it's inability to work at the high resolutions expected from the retina display, its my OS of choice.

 

[Judas1]

So, you *admit* you didn't read the press release which was the basis of the article here? It's even *linked* in the article.

Your own, personal, bias does not equate to bias on the part of anyone *but* yourself.



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Don't be silly. He'd actually have to *own* one to sell it.
The "worst computer" he's ever owned, but he didn't return it and by something else? What kind of idiot does he want us to think he is?

Epeat commissioned the lab, and they probably commission that same lab for all these types of work, so I would hardly call them independent. And did you even try to read in between the lines? This lab had access to the disassembly instructions, while a recycling place won't, and then they automatically assume the times exceeded that of what's expected so these devices magically pass the bar.
edit: Rereading that statement you gave, its clear that the word "independent" used was used to say that the lab was independent from recycling places, not a declaration that it was independent from epeat.

 

[tbrinkma]

Epeat commissioned the lab, and they probably commission that same lab for all these types of work, so I would hardly call them independent. And did you even try to read in between the lines? This lab had access to the disassembly instructions, while a recycling place won't, and then they automatically assume the times exceeded that of what's expected so these devices magically pass the bar.
edit: Rereading that statement you gave, its clear that the word "independent" used was used to say that the lab was independent from recycling places, not a declaration that it was independent from epeat.

What on earth makes you think that recyclers won't have access to the disassembly instructions which exist for the *sole* purpose of informing someone how to tear down the laptop for *recycling*?

That's like claiming repair shops won't be able to get instructions on how to repair them. iFixIt didn't risk the disassembly that they claimed couldn't be done. The lab in question here managed to do it in a 2 minutes or less, safely, with tools that anybody can buy.

You're heading into conspiracy theory territory here. You might want to back up and actually *look* at the available facts before making unsupported, merit-less claims.

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1- The lack of Ethernet has turned into a big issue for me. The adapters are poorly made. Ive been through 3 in the past 4 months. The USB adapter only supports 100mb. The thunderbolt cable is very flimsy and constantly disconnecting through the weight of the connecting cable. Wifi is too slow for the data I need to transfer on and off the network.

2- The Retina screen is a big disappointment. On booting up the machine and after logging in, the screen goes black and then a hard reset is required to get is working again. This can happen 3 or 4 times when the computer is cold. The OS is not fully optimized to work at the high resolutions expected from the screen. At the high settings the screen has a slight ghost and blur rendering it useless for the colour and graphics work I do.

3- The batary power runs down so quickly that being away from a electric point for longer than 2 hours is not possible.

4- I kept getting electric shoks from the case, this has stopped in the past month? Not sure why.

I know others have reported similar issues. It's very clear to me that Apple have not done full due diligence on this redesigned laptop.

All in I'm very disappointed with it. As far as OSX, other than it's inability to work at the high resolutions expected from the retina display, its my OS of choice.

No experience with #1 (the adapter), so I can't comment on it, except to say that I've never seen any device connector on an Apple device that could be disconnected by the weight of an ethernet cable.

If #2 (screen) & #3 (battery) are actually true, then it sounds like you got a defective unit. Take it back and exchange it or get it fixed. If it were wide-spread enough to be a design issue like you posit, it would have made the news by now. (Especially given how they like to pounce on any 'news' that is even *remotely* Apple-related.)

As for #4 (shocks), it's far more likely that you were grounding yourself out on the case. It probably stopped recently due to typical, seasonal change of atmospheric moisture level (and/or activity) changing how much of a static charge you build up. I went through that once, and actually killed a cordless phone once due to a static discharge that was big enough to completely numb my arm up to the elbow. (hurt like a mother, too)

 

[Felixovich]

I definitely have recycle-ability in mind when purchasing a $2300+ Mac. Don't you

 

[darkplanets]

SNIP

Interesting.

1- I'll agree that the adapter (specifically the plug) isn't beefy for TB, but I've had no issue here. Laptop is sitting on a desk so the cord isn't getting much action.

2- I don't have the issues of 2, but I know it's been a gripe for some. I've seen ghosting a few times early on but not since then. I also don't have the screen-off issues... I agree about the resolution mostly, but I think the OS works well; other programs are slowly catching up.

3- I get 5-8 hrs out of mine, programs/multitasking depending. What procs are running? Any major backgrounding stuff?

4- No issue here. Are you sure you're not just building up static charge which then releases upon contact?

Given the lack of consistency, it's def clear that Apple didn't do QC well, but by the same token it sounds like your hardware has some (un?)usual issues not experienced by everyone.

 

[the read]

Interesting.

1- I'll agree that the adapter (specifically the plug) isn't beefy for TB, but I've had no issue here. Laptop is sitting on a desk so the cord isn't getting much action.

2- I don't have the issues of 2, but I know it's been a gripe for some. I've seen ghosting a few times early on but not since then. I also don't have the screen-off issues... I agree about the resolution mostly, but I think the OS works well; other programs are slowly catching up.

3- I get 5-8 hrs out of mine, programs/multitasking depending. What procs are running? Any major backgrounding stuff?

4- No issue here. Are you sure you're not just building up static charge which then releases upon contact?

Given the lack of consistency, it's def clear that Apple didn't do QC well, but by the same token it sounds like your hardware has some (un?)usual issues not experienced by everyone.

I have the machine fully specked out with the upgraded processor and bigger storage. The Battary runs down very quick. 2-3 hours max. I'm ussually running Skype or Vsee on a conference and or browsing the websites at the same time. Nothing I would consider process or power hungry. Screen is set at the highest settings and I like to keep the screen on 3/4 brightness. Blue Tooth is off, wifi is off.

Ive seen others also complain about the static problem, although mine has stopped now.

The thunderbolt Cables are really poor quality, badly designed, manufactured and they are not cheap. I'm just very disappointed with the whole experience. Especially when I think of the $ spent. Certainly not value for money or a computer I would class as industry leading. Stability is less then my old Mac 13" that also runs on battary longer doing the same tasks, and is 2 years old.

Stability is also poor. I've taken it back to the Apple shop, they spent 2 hours messing around with it in their back room and provided no soloutions. Not really geniuses in my opinion.

Not sure what else to do with it other than grumble on and think twice about buying Apple producs in the future.

 

[Judas1]

What on earth makes you think that recyclers won't have access to the disassembly instructions which exist for the *sole* purpose of informing someone how to tear down the laptop for *recycling*?

That's like claiming repair shops won't be able to get instructions on how to repair them. iFixIt didn't risk the disassembly that they claimed couldn't be done. The lab in question here managed to do it in a 2 minutes or less, safely, with tools that anybody can buy.

You're heading into conspiracy theory territory here. You might want to back up and actually *look* at the available facts before making unsupported, merit-less claims.

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No experience with #1 (the adapter), so I can't comment on it, except to say that I've never seen any device connector on an Apple device that could be disconnected by the weight of an ethernet cable.

If #2 (screen) & #3 (battery) are actually true, then it sounds like you got a defective unit. Take it back and exchange it or get it fixed. If it were wide-spread enough to be a design issue like you posit, it would have made the news by now. (Especially given how they like to pounce on any 'news' that is even *remotely* Apple-related.)

As for #4 (shocks), it's far more likely that you were grounding yourself out on the case. It probably stopped recently due to typical, seasonal change of atmospheric moisture level (and/or activity) changing how much of a static charge you build up. I went through that once, and actually killed a cordless phone once due to a static discharge that was big enough to completely numb my arm up to the elbow. (hurt like a mother, too)

The epeat standards have been watered down to meet the needs of tech companies like Apple. Sadly, thats the way the world works sometime. And when it happens, we should call them out for it, not apologize for them. Seen the article here on Macrumors on epeat's defense. It essentially boils down sorry, we're only following the standards thats set, even if the standards doesn't make sense.

 

[AZREOSpecialist]

I don't understand this article at all. We care about this why, because iFixit doesn't like the fact that the rMBP got an EPEAT gold rating? Why do we give a flying rat what iFixit thinks? Good for Apple.

 

[tbrinkma]

The epeat standards have been watered down to meet the needs of tech companies like Apple. Sadly, thats the way the world works sometime. And when it happens, we should call them out for it, not apologize for them. Seen the article here on Macrumors on epeat's defense. It essentially boils down sorry, we're only following the standards thats set, even if the standards doesn't make sense.

Supporting evidence, please. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that the standard has changed *at all*.

The standards, as written, *do* make sense. The standard, as written, are concerned with environmental impact and EOL recyclability. They are *not* concerned with user-serviceability. Your lack of ability to understand the distinction has no impact on whether the standard 'makes sense' or not.

An aluminum soda can, for example, is *very* recyclable. On the other hand, it is most certainly *not* user-serviceable. They are two *very* different things.