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Epic CEO Tim Sweeney Admits App Store's 30% Cut Is Similar to Consoles, Would Have Accepted Special Deal With Apple
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Even in reactionary mode it is still better to only have to deal with a single trusted source. The alternative is Apple having essentially zero control and most users being effectively unable to protect themselves.
No case just fees. Apple lawyers could litigate this in their sleep.
Star witness for the defense is Sweeney himself.
Star witness for the defense is Sweeney himself.
Setting aside the propriety of using "y'all" in an email directed to someone who you've apparently only briefly met previously that is the head of a company who is many multiple times larger than yours, what exactly goes through Tim Sweeney's head? "Yes, I would have accepted a special deal." Does he not understand how that torpedoes his entire credibility? And yet, he didn't have to say that. He could have said that he wouldn't have taken a special deal, and who exactly is going to say otherwise? Maybe he would have been challenged on it--(sarcastic-toned lawyer) Really, Tim? Are you sure?--but it's not asking him what color the stoplight at the corner is, where someone can run outside to fact-check him.
Except, who is to say that Apple wouldn't continue to be the single source that they were relying on? Just because the capability exists to sideload apps does not mean anyone will use it. How many people sideload apps on Android? And even if the capability exists and people use it, how many people sideload bank apps, specifically, on Android? Are there even sideloadable bank apps available for Android? I would be shocked if there were.
My point being that the capability existing in the system does not in any way force the user to use it, and it's extremely unlikely that all the banks would suddenly rush to offer web-installable apps.
Y’all should worry less about the language someone picked up from their environment, and more ’bout whether their words make sense or not.
Which, eh... they don’t so much in this case.
Wow I love that bit about the Metal API. Clearly something Apple worked hard to invent and provide, that is exclusive to its platforms, that directly benefited Epic, as they said in their own words. It perfectly reinforces Apple’s argument that App Store fees help fund not just distribution costs but also powerful and unique benefits to developers within their ecosystem.
lol zero control... as said many times Apples AppStore would not stop to exist.
The ones that fears the dark night, can still keep buying Software at higher prices from the walled garden.
They could also just try to revive their brains, and use it just like others did the last decades on other platforms, before the AppStore 2007 existed.
I wonder how Senior Android Users survives with their Android and all these filthy Hax0rs around them, they must have taken some hardcore survival training.
Epic’s case is looking weaker and weaker by the day.
My prediction is that this ends badly for Epic, similar to the Apple / Adobe 20-year fight over Flash. They eliminate dependencies on untrustworthy actors.
Apple doesn’t forgive. Apple doesn't forget.
My prediction is that this ends badly for Epic, similar to the Apple / Adobe 20-year fight over Flash. They eliminate dependencies on untrustworthy actors.
Apple doesn’t forgive. Apple doesn't forget.
So this blow hard just admitted this case has nothing to do with helping out the small developer or the consumers. Its all about making himself richer.
I vividly recall so many posts on here from around a year ago where anyone who questioned Epic's motives was labelled a sheep or an Apple astroturfer, because "Epic wants the deal for everyone, not just for Epic."
People are so gullible.
People are so gullible.
Try again. This wasn't an off-the-cuff exchange after a few drinks, at a cocktail party. It was an email, which expressed a pretty significant thought. You'd think that Sweeney would have given it at least a few minutes' thought, and used proper English (if only to come across as more educated/intelligent than he he did with "ya'll").
WOW what a slogan "Apple doesn’t forgive. Apple doesn't forget."
Ask them to add it to their logo!
Reminds me of kimble.org "Legends may sleep, but they never die...", look where he is now...
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Does Nintendo subsidize hardware? I haven't kept up with them in recent years but unless they have changed their business model, Nintendo does not subsidize hardware the way XBOX and Sony does.
I understand where you're coming from because I use to think the same way. Then NPR had a guest who spoke this way and he blew me away with his intelligence, clearly more intelligent than the vast majority of people on this planet. It reminds me of how non-native speakers of a language may sound dumb to native speakers but it actually says nothing about their intelligence, only about their ability to speak a single non-native language.
Generally speaking no Nintendo systems are make with the idea of losing money on the hardware.
I’ve said this several times since this all began: amateurs. Complete, and total, amateurs.
The judge should dismiss this hack job ASAP.
Flash.
Google maps.
Nvidia.
Intel.
There’s probably more, but it’s 6 am over here and I am walking to work thinking about what I want for breakfast, so make of it what you will.
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Why? English has no imperial “you” and it’s an accepted southern usage. Do you also not pay attention to black English speakers who use slang? Or Indian immigrants that speak their regional variation or English?
The kinds of news stories I've seen about things bypassing the app vetting process haven't been very compelling. I do recall someone creating a na-na-ni-na-na type message about how they got past security that didn't actually do anything to hurt the device, and was therefore not picked up by any automated processes. Certainly, Apple has had overwhelmingly less trouble than the totally unvetted Google Play store so I think calling it mere security theater is a bit much. But I agree it would be naïve to think it isn't at least theoretically possible for malware to get itself on the Store and cause serious damage before it would be found and removed.
But we almost never use the App Store on that machine anyway. My big concern is with the web. I like the idea that the machine is locked down to the point where my father can't install/run some app from a download link on a web page. If Apple is compelled to allow that, then we have the problem of the local system then needing to somehow tell the difference between malware and a helpful program, and it can't. And for these web-downloaded programs to be able to do things like update themselves or act as a store for downloading other apps, they also need to have a lot more power over the system than third-party apps have now, which would make a malware infection much more serious. It basically just becomes a regular PC at that point, only one without support for separate, limited user accounts.
As for what a "banking machine" is, it's just a name for a separate computer that we do nothing with except for financially sensitive stuff. Since it is not used as often and doesn't need to be capable of as much as a general purpose computer, it's possible for it to be more secure. And if we get a virus on the general purpose computer we don't have to worry about money being stolen. I have been torn about whether this added layer of security is truly necessary, but my parents insist on it. Either way, we are not the only people to be doing this.
Get an nice Apple for breakfast, but won't keep you full for long!Haven’t drink a single drop of alcohol in my life.
Flash.
Google maps.
Nvidia.
Intel.
There’s probably more, but it’s 6 am over here and I am walking to work thinking about what I want for breakfast, so make of it what you will.