They don't need to invest in their own app stores. They can license one of dozens of existing stores. Same goes for other services.
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Amazon has tried to compete with Google and create an alternative app store ecosystem since 2011. The company also tried to power its failed Fire Phone project through its own app store.
And it’s also discontinuing its App Store
On android
So now you've switched back again. I'm done with this part of the conversation.
Great! So stop making that blanket claim. And provide a legal decision in the EU that limits the app market to iOS if you want to make the claim there.
No, they're not being torn up. The commission is nibbling at the margins instead of addressing the root of the problem.
I'm well aware that your preference is to force Apple to do what you want. It just doesn't solve any problems and will just result in more fraud, more regulation and more time and money wasted.
At least my way benefits developers and 99% of consumer use cases without giving up the benefits of the single store model. Not like the EU hasn't done something similar already with card transaction fees.
Major and minor players act as intermediaries between businesses and customers. It's a common business arrangement. It's how stores work. It's how many platforms work.
Good example! Competing and failing is part of a healthy market. Not sure what point you are going for though.
Because it makes no difference what so ever
If a company doesn’t have to use google play services or not
LOL, yeah NOT was a pretty important keyword
Thanks for catching that typo OK, you are doing it again. You are trying to make apps on a mobile phone equivalent to public necessity. You are trying to make them "must have" instead of "nice to have". Smartphones are a luxury, apps are a luxury. It doesn't matter if, for convenience, public entities offer an app. I don't need a smartphone or the App Store to start or use service from the power company. I don't need an app to engage with the teachers or make sure my kid can go to school. I don't need an app to purchase gas. Using apps for necessities is a bonus, not a requirement.
But I think maybe I finally get it though. Despite the fact that Apple ushered in a new consumer market segment by spending time/money/energy and RISK to build something out of nearly nothing. Despite dumping more into a development community than nearly any other platform in history. Now that they have done such an amazing job of making this market segment something that ALL developers want to be a part of, now they have succeeded after all the hard work and risk, you think other people (who had no skin in the game) should decide on how profitable it can be for Apple? And whatever the decision is, the extra money goes then into the pockets of billion dollar businesses.
I don't think you are, but you really sound like an undercover agent for Netflix or Spotify or Epic or something. Trying to rally support for their profit margins at the expense of the business, Apple, who made it possible for them to earn that revenue to begin with.
How did you come to that conclusion? Of course it makes a difference if Google Play Services has been and continues to be the default for almost all Android manufactures outside of China.That's why other services have trouble gaining traction.
The individual has a valid point because if you are of working age then having a smartphoneLOL, yeah NOT was a pretty important keyword
OK, you are doing it again. You are trying to make apps on a mobile phone equivalent to public necessity. You are trying to make them "must have" instead of "nice to have". Smartphones are a luxury, apps are a luxury. It doesn't matter if, for convenience, public entities offer an app. I don't need a smartphone or the App Store to start or use service from the power company. I don't need an app to engage with the teachers or make sure my kid can go to school. I don't need an app to purchase gas. Using apps for necessities is a bonus, not a requirement.
But I think maybe I finally get it though. Despite the fact that Apple ushered in a new consumer market segment by spending time/money/energy and RISK to build something out of nearly nothing. Despite dumping more into a development community than nearly any other platform in history. Now that they have done such an amazing job of making this market segment something that ALL developers want to be a part of, now they have succeeded after all the hard work and risk, you think other people (who had no skin in the game) should decide on how profitable it can be for Apple? And whatever the decision is, the extra money goes then into the pockets of billion dollar businesses.
I don't think you are, but you really sound like an undercover agent for Netflix or Spotify or Epic or something. Trying to rally support for their profit margins at the expense of the business, Apple, who made it possible for them to earn that revenue to begin with.
Reflects the current environment
Because it makes no difference when you look at Amazon for example they have a pre installed app store
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Because it makes no difference as there is no playstore pre installed on Amazon devices and it makes no difference at all
You're just saying things without any context. What is the Play Store market share on Amazon devices versus devices with Play Store as default? I'm guessing it's a lot lower on the Amazon devices.
because it defeats the point in what you’re saying if you end up having to install the google play store on an Amazon tablet
Anyway?
Except you provided no evidence to support that claim. Nor did you consider the impact over the entire Android market outside of China.
We’ve decided to discontinue the Amazon Appstore on Android to focus our efforts on the Appstore experience on our own devices, as that’s where the overwhelming majority of our customers currently engage with it,” a company spokesperson said.
How do you think that supports your point? It would seem to clearly support my point... the Amazon App Store is only successful when it is the default store on the device.
That can't be true. I've been told that once Apple OpensUp™ prices are going to fall immediately for everyone. You mean to tell me a large company famous for undercutting the competition on price was competing with an App Store that STEALS from developers by offering nothing other than rent seeking for a 30% cut of pure greed?
You'd think they'd reduce the commission and just watch all the developers come to them.
Because Amazon wouldn’t be discontinuing it on android if there customers were downloading it on there devices
Then would they?
That's exactly my point. Google's anticompetitive agreements to install Google Play Services on almost all Android phones outside of China prevents other services from getting any traction.
Or it could be that because it’s pre installed on the Amazon tablets that’s why they see engagement and the majority of there customers don’t probably know how to download the play store and it’s probably the same on an android device
That’s not the reason why companies can’t get traction because of google play services & the google play store
I think it's significantly more likely that the 15-30% is actually an entirely reasonable commission given the amount of customers the PlayStore/App Store attracts, and all this grousing by "developers" is actually just large companies wanting to freeload off of the platform owners and convincing a tiny, but very vocal, minority of technically-inclined users (and government regulators who assume successful = cheating) that worse security and user experience for the vast majority of smartphone users is an appropriate trade off so they can keep more money by not paying for access to the property they're using.
And yet you just provided evidence that changing the default service matters. So, please provide evidence to support your claim. What do you think the reason is?
Yes, but that is neither evidence nor an answer to my question.