Is that your final answer? Because that's what I said, and you disagreed with me and claimed you never said that.
The anticompetitive practices doesn’t change much if it’s a duopoly or 10 alternatives. So I’m not sure what the disconnect between us are or the failure of communication from my side is.
Again, the judge in the Epic case ruled that they do compete, so let's put that argument to bed.
Fair as long as we are talking about the U.S. and not referring to EU or the DMA etc.
( I have added comments)
SN: "Stop blocking side loading and allow other AppStores full competitive access at 0 cost."
BM: That's not a fix. Android allowed that for a decade with no significant competition to the Google Play Store.
( they didn’t hence the anticompetitive ruling against Google’s antitrust behavior in EU)
SN: There was a reasonable amount of competition.
(allegedly on Android if PlayStore won fairly)
BM: Than why did we need the DMA to open competition with respect to mobile OS services?
( because Google and Apple used AntiCompetive practices against the competition and preventing a proper competitive market from existing)
SN: A lack of significant competition isn't a bad outcome.( competition loosing fairly isn’t a bad thing)
How does that make any sense to anyone? The EU needed to create sweeping legislation that will cost billions to implement even though it will result in no significant competition? Seems like they need rename the Competition commission.
Well the commission is just the executive branch 🤷♂️. The legislation is making fair market competition between services possible.
The DMA doesn’t open up competition between Android OS services and iOS OS services.
If chrome for example becomes the monopoly on browser because they are allowed on iOS ( instead of using WebKit) then this is completely fine. Same thing if Epic store in some manner manages to take over the iOS store market or failing, this would be completely fine as it’s done by market forces instead of artificial restrictions by a dominant player to undercut any competition from ever having a fair chance.
A real fix would be to end Google's anticompetitive agreements for Google Play Services, so manufacturers have to license or implement their own services. Break up the monopoly, and (as you admit above) you have a healthier market with multiple competitors.
Well as far as I’m aware their anticompetitive agreements are being torn up/ or are in the process of being torn up by EU pending some appeals and other court cases
The European Commission has fined Google €4.34 billion for breaching EU antitrust rules. Since 2011, Google has imposed illegal restrictions on Android device manufacturers and mobile network operators to cement its dominant position in general internet search.
ec.europa.eu
And the U.S. I believe
Google must make Android apps available from competing sources and cannot forbid use of in-app payment methods
www.theguardian.com
Throw in a requirement to allow emulators or limit the amount of Apple's or Google's commission, and we'd be closer to an even more popular fix.
I’m not so much in favor of a cap on a commission, unless it’s in a FRAND framework. I would rather they can take any commission if their services is used, or pick an alternative service and pay 0%. Basically how it’s done on Mac.
Use the Mac/iOS-Appstore = pay whatever fee they want
Use the Mac/iOS-InApp Purchase = pay whatever fee they want
Use alternative Mac/iOS-Appstore
(example steam/Epic/EA/Altstore= pay 0
Use alternative Mac/iOS-InApp Purchase
(example PayPal/Cards/ApplePay) = pay 0
That's how innumerable businesses work, so it's kinda weird that you present that as anticompetitive.
I would say the vast majority of businesses don’t get in my way, despite some major players do tries to get between you and everything else. Especially in regards to gods you owns.
My ISP, mobile ISP, car, computers, steam, lights, kitchen appliances, tools etc doesn’t get between me and another business who wants to sell me parts or services that can be competitive with them.