If the sale was made via visibility and one click transaction on THEIR App Store 100% they deserve a sales commission.
Mercedes isn't stopping you from selling your Honda on your own property. Apple is preventing Spotify/epic from selling their own apps on their own website. Apple is using digital software locks to force them to sell in Apple's online app store, then taxing them for a service (online payment processing, online app distribution) they don't want.
If you are a third party reseller selling product in Costco, does Costco deserve compensation?
So general consumers are not smart enough to be expected to know this on their own, which means the EU needs to parent it's populace like babies.
No, Costco does nothing except for build the store, pay for electricity, water, maintain the property, and attract a desirable customer-base. And all of those expenses are a part of what someone signs up for when they decide to open a store, so obviously Costco shouldn't be allowed to ask for a cut of sales that happen using their property. In addition, Costco charges a yearly membership fee, which clearly gives the re-seller the right to use Costco's property in any way they see fit without permission. /s
Does Costco have the ability to force their customers to only shop at Costco?
Yes, that is the sad reality. Most consumers do not know everything that there is to know about products that they buy. That doesn't make them "babies", that makes them human.
But these 2 companies complaining don't want to sell in Apple's online app store or use their services (payment processing, app distribution, advertising), they want to sell on there own website. No one found out about Spotify cause they searched for " apple music" in the app store
Do you think Apple has a right to be compensated for Spotify and Epic using iOS to create a product that functions on iOS devices? If no, why not. If yes, how much is too much?
Outside of the annual developer fee that Apple already charges all developers? No. Apple has no right to any such compensation.
Any amount where a developer is essentially made to pay rent or royalties to an OS developer for the "privilege" of developing for their OS is too much.
You seem to not understand my use of the word "symbiotic" in my last comment. Either that or you're now venturing into the realm of gish galloping. Either way, this is a pretty sad line of questioning you have come up with. I suggest you do better.
It's not Spotify/epic using Apple's IP(the OS) , it's the end user that is using it. And the end user already paid a lot. Do you believe phone case manufacturers should be paying apple to make phone cases?
Yes of course, the only way Apple can ever make those billions back is by charging 27% in fees to 15-year-olds purchasing content on Fortnite.
The yearly developer fee pays for access to Apple’s development resources, including code development support, downloads, beta programs, and education. It does not constitute a license to make money from the use of their libraries nor customer acquisition fees. This is clear because Apple has always charged additional amounts for for-profit apps. Pretending the $99/year fee covers all the benefits of being licensed to operate for profit in the Apple ecosystem is naïve to the point of being maliciousness.
That would be true if the end user wrote the app for themselves. Coincidentally, if you do develope your own app and use it only on your phone, you don’t have to pay any fee.
Why not? OS libraries are a basic platform and APIs are simply a method to interact with that platform. Software developers are doing the heavy lifting when developing software, not the APIs. Again, this same tired "using Apple's platform libraries" argument is tired and becomes completely laughable when one realizes that OS development has worked this way for literally decades before Apple even invented iOS.
"Customer acquisition fees." Oh my.
I would argue that if I spend the time to develop an application for a device I have bought an paid for that I shouldn't have to pay a penny to that device manufacturer just for the privilege of using my own internally-developed software on it.
There were a lot of OSes far superior to Mac and Windows that died out due to lack of developers interest: Solaris (SUN), NextStep (became the basis for OSX), AmigaOS, IRIX (Silicon Graphics), BeOS, OS/2 (superior to Window at the time).
I agree 100% (although will note Apple sold a lot of original iPhones before the App Store existed).
Read the license you sign to find out.
Learn something about business. Customer acquisition is an industry in itself.
Under those conditions, you don’t have to pay a penny for it to Apple. Xcode is a free download.
