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Do you have a citation and examples of this? Because apple sure as shooting has a monopoly on the iPhone for example. Just like Honda has a monopoly on the accord.

A natural monopoly occurs in industries where a company is able to provide a product/service more efficiently nationwide or in a geographical region by itself than can be achieved with several competitors due to the very high fixed/start-up costs and barriers to entry. Utilities like electric, water, and natural gas are common examples of natural monopolies but there are others.

Natural monopolies are typically given full or partial market competition "protection" in specific geographical regions in exchange for being more strictly regulated and monitored in a variety of ways. For example, a government may declare "ABC Electric" a natural monopoly and allow them to operate with limited or perhaps no competition in region "X" in return for ABC agreeing to pricing and ROR caps or limits including having to get permission to raise prices, having to provide minimum and universal services and getting permission to change product/service offerings, having to provide infrastructure access, etc.

It is not proper to say Apple has a "monopoly on the iPhone" or Honda has a "monopoly on the Accord." Monopolies are about market level share not company product/service level share. For example, you would NOT say Google has a monopoly in Google Search but you could say Google has a monopoly in the online search market.

 
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A natural monopoly occurs in industries where a company is able to provide a product/service more efficiently nationwide or in a geographical region by itself than can be achieved with several competitors due to the very high fixed/start-up costs and barriers to entry. Utilities like electric, water, and natural gas are common examples of natural monopolies but there are others.

Natural monopolies are typically given full or partial market competition "protection" in specific geographical regions in exchange for being more strictly regulated and monitored in a variety of ways. For example, a government may declare "ABC Electric" a natural monopoly and allow them to operate with limited or perhaps no competition in region "X" in return for ABC agreeing to pricing and ROR caps or limits including having to get permission to raise prices, having to provide minimum and universal services and getting permission to change product/service offerings, having to provide infrastructure access, etc.

It is not proper to say Apple has a "monopoly on the iPhone" or Honda has a "monopoly on the Accord." Monopolies are about market level share not company product/service level share. For example, you would NOT say Google has a monopoly in Google Search but you could say Google has a monopoly in the online search market.

All of the above seems to fit apple, intentionally or unintentionally. Like the big three telecoms have a natural monopoly on the airwaves. Start up costs, check. Difficulty in entering the market, check. Inability to buy airwaves, check.
 
22% of iPhone sales in the EU is pretty low?? If iPhone sales dropped by 22% in one quarter, the stock would quit literally fall through the floor and Timmy wouldn't get his bonus. This is not counting other devices and Appstore sales.

I’m pretty sure Tim would be looking for a new job if that happened
 
Apple Music remains an app dedicated solely to streaming music and nothing else. There is something to be said about this level of simplicity and focus.

Spotify has now become a catch all basin for assorted audio services, from music to podcasts to audiobooks
I get it from a user experience perspective, but come on!
These are related services - and have you forgotten about the atrocity that iTunes grew into?
I was an iPhone user who had a paid Spotify subscription.
I managed to easily sign up through their website. And download the iPhone app and sign in. Easy as.
And that’s how it should be: easy.
Same as for subscribing to Spotify, once you downloaded their app.
They forced alt app stores but you can't make users shop there.
They will probably next force Apple to make any fee almost 0% to allow it.
And rightly so.
Look at Sony. They had the Walkman market. But were too slow to go MP3.
They had great tvs but continued to tell people their CRTs were "flat" from top to bottom instead of jumping to plasma/LCD.
A market leader can lose it's crown just by someone else offering something perceived as better - all without legal frameworks.
Yes - and that’s how it should be in competitive markets!

Did Sony dictate what music cassettes or later CDs could be played on their players? Did they - while operating a music company themselves - prevent their competitors from marketing to walkman users or charge a 30% commission on them for playing their cassettes/music? Same for their TVs and movie content.
 
A natural monopoly occurs in industries where a company is able to provide a product/service more efficiently nationwide or in a geographical region by itself than can be achieved with several competitors due to the very high fixed/start-up costs and barriers to entry. Utilities like electric, water, and natural gas are common examples of natural monopolies but there are others.
Operating systems, I reckon.
The EU should just start fining Apple. At this point it’s getting ridiculous
It It’s getting ridiculous - but patience must be had.
Gotta give Apple feedback and allow them enough time to remedy the situation if fines should stick.
 
Irrelevant as American IP law is irrelevant in EU, and I’m arguing from EU law.

As I gave to you before according to EU jurisprudence Apple is selling their copyright and IP.

Well no not fully, as it stands in EU

How Exhaustion of Rights Works in the EU:

1. First Sale Doctrine:
• When an IP-protected product is sold by the rights holder or with their consent within the EU/EEA, the rights holder’s control over the distribution of that particular item is exhausted. This is often referred to as the “first sale doctrine” or “principle of exhaustion.”
• After the first sale, the purchaser (or any subsequent owner) is free to resell, lend, or otherwise distribute the specific item within the EU/EEA without needing permission from the IP owner.
2. Scope of Exhaustion:
• EU/EEA-wide Exhaustion: Exhaustion only applies within the EU/EEA. This means that if an IP-protected product is sold in the EU/EEA, it can be freely moved, resold, or distributed within those territories without infringing on the IP rights.
• No International Exhaustion: The EU does not recognize international exhaustion. This means that if a product is sold outside the EU/EEA, the IP rights holder can still control the importation and sale of that product within the EU/EEA. For example, goods sold in the U.S. cannot be freely imported and sold in the EU without the IP holder’s consent.
Hey. Are you ok?

Copyright law in the EU and US are similar if not in the end the same.

Yes the doc I shared is American. Yet the info you shared says the exactly the same thing when it comes to copyright law and the difference between IP and its realizations.

Cheers.
 
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I get it from a user experience perspective, but come on!
These are related services - and have you forgotten about the atrocity that iTunes grew into?

I guess for better or for worse, I missed the iTunes era. Was never really into music growing up, didn’t even own an MP3 player. My only experience was using it to rip audio files from CDs for work once. Otherwise,

It wasn’t until Apple released Apple Music that I tried out music streaming. Now on YouTube Music, which is a cheaper (albeit inferior) alternative, but most of my listening time is spent on podcasts.

Which is another bugbear. Spotify forces you to consume podcasts on their app, while I prefer overcast (and many of the ones I follow .

Again, I understand why Spotify has to do what it did, and it’s just not for me, and well, maybe this just speaks to the power and perks of having your own platform where you can ship as many default, preinstalled apps as you like.
 
You just can't buy something for free. The concept of selling implies exchanging goods or services for some form of payment. "Nothing" cannot be some form of payment.
If something is given away free, under EU law it is still considered a 'contract' between two or more parties. There maybe no written contract or a verbal contract but there what is known as an 'implied' contract.
The meaning of implied contract in the UK (similar to rest of EU)

A non verbal, non-written, contractual term that has not been expressly agreed between the parties, but has been implied into the contract either by common law or by statute.

Anything given for free comes under this 'implied' contract because the person giving away the free item is required to make sure the item is safe to use, is free from defects OR if there are defects then this must be communicated either verbally or in writing to the person receiving the free item. The person being given the free item must make sure that the item is safe to use for themselves or for others. If it is an electrical item the receiver of the free item must make sure it is free from electrical defaults before plugging into an electrical socket. If it is clothing the receiver must make sure the item is clean and void of any contaminants, fleas, bed bugs, other insects, chemicals, other liquids that can cause skin irritation.

Making sure something is electrical or mechanical safe comes under some common law and some statute law. Making sure clothing is free from contaminants comes under some common law and some statute law.

This is why if you accept something for free and something goes wrong, you could be liable for any action taken against you if you have not done due diligence checks to make sure what you've received for free is safe to use.
 
I’m pretty sure Tim would be looking for a new job if that happened
Not saying Apple is going to pull out of the EU (they won’t), but the EU is nowhere close to 22% of Apple’s iPhone sales. That’s around what their market share is in the EU, but the actual percentage of Apple’s iPhone sales that occur in the EU is estimated to be around 7-8%. Which is why them pulling out of the market if they’re getting fined 20% of their global revenue isn’t as absolutely crazy as it sounds (still isn’t going to happen).
 
Well then please read upon EU laws.

You per definition under can sell something for nothing. This is a fully legal sales contract for transfer of ownership of a goods.
You can give, for nothing. You can't sell for nothing. If you are selling, it has to have a monetary value, and that value, however miserly, must be change hands, transacted.
 
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Apple knows that EU is not the US, but don't want to fathom that...after so many years of they come first, not the consumers in the US.
 
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According to Apple, the new initial acquisition fee that developers who use links have to pay reflects the value that the App Store provides when connecting developers to customers in the EU. The second store services fee reflects the ongoing services and capabilities that Apple provides developers, such as app distribution, App Store trust and safety, promotional tools, anti-fraud checks, and more.
Gotta charge for the added value is what apple seems to be about, so i guess app developers can start charging apple for the added value their apps bring to apple? I doubt many iPhone users only use the apps Apple makes so companies like facebook and google bring lots of value that they by apples own logic should be paid for.
 
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That’s fine but don’t expect to use Apples software development tools.
That would be perfectly reasonable, allow the community to make their own dev tools for free and people who prefer apple's tools pay for them.
But of course apple doesn't allow that, perhaps because it's hard to claim you need to be paid for dev tools if there's a better free alternative.
 
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When all the EU defenders who think EU regulation is making their lives better realize they are living a tech backwater in 5-10 years, and the user experience of smartphones in the EU is as frustrating as using the web in the EU, do we think they will blame the EU regulations, or will they blame Apple and other big tech companies for "malicious compliance?"
I won't blame anyone since using the web here is not really that frustrating.
 
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All of the above seems to fit apple, intentionally or unintentionally. Like the big three telecoms have a natural monopoly on the airwaves. Start up costs, check. Difficulty in entering the market, check. Inability to buy airwaves, check.

One of the important missing pieces is that Apple does not have a monopoly specifically tied to particular regions the way a utility could. Examples of "telecom" natural monopolies could be pre-1984 AT&T plus, at least initially, the "Baby Bells."

If you actually believe Apple is a natural monopoly, I am puzzled by your numerous comments suggesting governments have been unfairly treating Apple in the area of antitrust laws. If Apple is a natural monopoly, these governments should be monitoring and regulating Apple much more strictly than they are as that's what happens when a company is a natural monopoly. You should instead be wondering why they aren't regulating Apple more, not complaining they are trying to regulate Apple too much.
 
I won't blame anyone since using the web here is not really that frustrating.
I wish you could come spend a few months months in the US, get used to the web over here, then go back the the EU. I don't think you realize how much frustrating crap you have to put up with. A someone who generally spends a couple of weeks a year in the EU, using the web over there is excruciating. And getting worse for EU users and businesses thanks to the DMA. Examples of DMA making things worse here, here and here.

I do not trust someone working at google to be unbiased in this topic.
MG Siegler doesn't work for Google anymore; he works for himself now. But you are correct that he did work for Google's Venture Capital firm. If that makes him hopelessly biased in your opinion, then read the article I linked from Ben Thompson. He works for himself, and his been writing for years how Apple is in the wrong and should open up the App Store. He also thinks the EU is dooming itself to be a tech backwater.
 
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