I guess the EU will just keep moving the goal posts...
Sounds a bit like Apple's App review..
I guess the EU will just keep moving the goal posts...
I totally agree with you there - Apple is definitely getting a taste of their own “build it then we’ll tell you if it’s kosher” App Review medicine with the DMA.Sounds a bit like Apple's App review..
Do you have a citation and examples of this? Because apple sure as shooting has a monopoly on the iPhone for example. Just like Honda has a monopoly on the accord.
All of the above seems to fit apple, intentionally or unintentionally. Like the big three telecoms have a natural monopoly on the airwaves. Start up costs, check. Difficulty in entering the market, check. Inability to buy airwaves, check.A natural monopoly occurs in industries where a company is able to provide a product/service more efficiently nationwide or in a geographical region by itself than can be achieved with several competitors due to the very high fixed/start-up costs and barriers to entry. Utilities like electric, water, and natural gas are common examples of natural monopolies but there are others.
Natural monopolies are typically given full or partial market competition "protection" in specific geographical regions in exchange for being more strictly regulated and monitored in a variety of ways. For example, a government may declare "ABC Electric" a natural monopoly and allow them to operate with limited or perhaps no competition in region "X" in return for ABC agreeing to pricing and ROR caps or limits including having to get permission to raise prices, having to provide minimum and universal services and getting permission to change product/service offerings, having to provide infrastructure access, etc.
It is not proper to say Apple has a "monopoly on the iPhone" or Honda has a "monopoly on the Accord." Monopolies are about market level share not company product/service level share. For example, you would NOT say Google has a monopoly in Google Search but you could say Google has a monopoly in the online search market.
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Natural Monopoly: Definition, How It Works, Types, and Examples
A natural monopoly is a monopoly that arises or would rise through natural conditions in a free market.www.investopedia.com
22% of iPhone sales in the EU is pretty low?? If iPhone sales dropped by 22% in one quarter, the stock would quit literally fall through the floor and Timmy wouldn't get his bonus. This is not counting other devices and Appstore sales.
I get it from a user experience perspective, but come on!Apple Music remains an app dedicated solely to streaming music and nothing else. There is something to be said about this level of simplicity and focus.
Spotify has now become a catch all basin for assorted audio services, from music to podcasts to audiobooks
And that’s how it should be: easy.I was an iPhone user who had a paid Spotify subscription.
I managed to easily sign up through their website. And download the iPhone app and sign in. Easy as.
And rightly so.They forced alt app stores but you can't make users shop there.
They will probably next force Apple to make any fee almost 0% to allow it.
Yes - and that’s how it should be in competitive markets!Look at Sony. They had the Walkman market. But were too slow to go MP3.
They had great tvs but continued to tell people their CRTs were "flat" from top to bottom instead of jumping to plasma/LCD.
A market leader can lose it's crown just by someone else offering something perceived as better - all without legal frameworks.
Operating systems, I reckon.A natural monopoly occurs in industries where a company is able to provide a product/service more efficiently nationwide or in a geographical region by itself than can be achieved with several competitors due to the very high fixed/start-up costs and barriers to entry. Utilities like electric, water, and natural gas are common examples of natural monopolies but there are others.
It It’s getting ridiculous - but patience must be had.The EU should just start fining Apple. At this point it’s getting ridiculous
Hey. Are you ok?Irrelevant as American IP law is irrelevant in EU, and I’m arguing from EU law.
As I gave to you before according to EU jurisprudence Apple is selling their copyright and IP.
Well no not fully, as it stands in EU
How Exhaustion of Rights Works in the EU:
1. First Sale Doctrine:
• When an IP-protected product is sold by the rights holder or with their consent within the EU/EEA, the rights holder’s control over the distribution of that particular item is exhausted. This is often referred to as the “first sale doctrine” or “principle of exhaustion.”
• After the first sale, the purchaser (or any subsequent owner) is free to resell, lend, or otherwise distribute the specific item within the EU/EEA without needing permission from the IP owner.
2. Scope of Exhaustion:
• EU/EEA-wide Exhaustion: Exhaustion only applies within the EU/EEA. This means that if an IP-protected product is sold in the EU/EEA, it can be freely moved, resold, or distributed within those territories without infringing on the IP rights.
• No International Exhaustion: The EU does not recognize international exhaustion. This means that if a product is sold outside the EU/EEA, the IP rights holder can still control the importation and sale of that product within the EU/EEA. For example, goods sold in the U.S. cannot be freely imported and sold in the EU without the IP holder’s consent.
I get it from a user experience perspective, but come on!
These are related services - and have you forgotten about the atrocity that iTunes grew into?
If something is given away free, under EU law it is still considered a 'contract' between two or more parties. There maybe no written contract or a verbal contract but there what is known as an 'implied' contract.You just can't buy something for free. The concept of selling implies exchanging goods or services for some form of payment. "Nothing" cannot be some form of payment.
The EU should come out and say it then in black and white, rather than issuing vague directives and suggestions.The EU should just start fining Apple. At this point it’s getting ridiculous
Apple knows what the EU wants. They’re dragging their feet like a toddler throwing a fit. It’s unbecoming
The EU should just start fining Apple. At this point it’s getting ridiculous
Apple knows what the EU wants. They’re dragging their feet like a toddler throwing a fit. It’s unbecoming
Not saying Apple is going to pull out of the EU (they won’t), but the EU is nowhere close to 22% of Apple’s iPhone sales. That’s around what their market share is in the EU, but the actual percentage of Apple’s iPhone sales that occur in the EU is estimated to be around 7-8%. Which is why them pulling out of the market if they’re getting fined 20% of their global revenue isn’t as absolutely crazy as it sounds (still isn’t going to happen).I’m pretty sure Tim would be looking for a new job if that happened
You can give, for nothing. You can't sell for nothing. If you are selling, it has to have a monetary value, and that value, however miserly, must be change hands, transacted.Well then please read upon EU laws.
You per definition under can sell something for nothing. This is a fully legal sales contract for transfer of ownership of a goods.
Gotta charge for the added value is what apple seems to be about, so i guess app developers can start charging apple for the added value their apps bring to apple? I doubt many iPhone users only use the apps Apple makes so companies like facebook and google bring lots of value that they by apples own logic should be paid for.According to Apple, the new initial acquisition fee that developers who use links have to pay reflects the value that the App Store provides when connecting developers to customers in the EU. The second store services fee reflects the ongoing services and capabilities that Apple provides developers, such as app distribution, App Store trust and safety, promotional tools, anti-fraud checks, and more.
Epic makes both fortnite and unreal engine, not a failing company at all atleast in business sense.Two failing companies who bleat a lot to distract from the fact that they're basket cases.
That would be perfectly reasonable, allow the community to make their own dev tools for free and people who prefer apple's tools pay for them.That’s fine but don’t expect to use Apples software development tools.
I won't blame anyone since using the web here is not really that frustrating.When all the EU defenders who think EU regulation is making their lives better realize they are living a tech backwater in 5-10 years, and the user experience of smartphones in the EU is as frustrating as using the web in the EU, do we think they will blame the EU regulations, or will they blame Apple and other big tech companies for "malicious compliance?"
I do not trust someone working at google to be unbiased in this topic.MG Siegler did a good job of explaining your future here:
All of the above seems to fit apple, intentionally or unintentionally. Like the big three telecoms have a natural monopoly on the airwaves. Start up costs, check. Difficulty in entering the market, check. Inability to buy airwaves, check.
Operating systems, I reckon.
I wish you could come spend a few months months in the US, get used to the web over here, then go back the the EU. I don't think you realize how much frustrating crap you have to put up with. A someone who generally spends a couple of weeks a year in the EU, using the web over there is excruciating. And getting worse for EU users and businesses thanks to the DMA. Examples of DMA making things worse here, here and here.I won't blame anyone since using the web here is not really that frustrating.
MG Siegler doesn't work for Google anymore; he works for himself now. But you are correct that he did work for Google's Venture Capital firm. If that makes him hopelessly biased in your opinion, then read the article I linked from Ben Thompson. He works for himself, and his been writing for years how Apple is in the wrong and should open up the App Store. He also thinks the EU is dooming itself to be a tech backwater.I do not trust someone working at google to be unbiased in this topic.