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The iPhone, iPad and every other personal electronic device that is purchased by the customer needs to be completely unlocked. I own that phone and what applications and software I put on it is my business, not Apple's. If people want "muh security", then simply don't sideload or use third party app stores. Simple solution. This is ridiculous and I hope the DOJ gets involved and checks these greedy capitalist pigs. If you believe this is in the interest of your security, then I admire your glass half full perspective. I wish I could see things so positively, and I really wish this were truly about security, but it's not. Imagine if you had to use the AppStore on your Macs. People would come unglued. But it's always been this way, so no one realizes how ridiculous it is.

Go get another phone if you don't like it.

The reality for Apple to implement all this additional stuff cost a lot of effort and ends up with more buggy software for the majority of us that just want a reliable, secure phone.
 
Two failing companies who bleat a lot to distract from the fact that they're basket cases.
If Spotify is a failing company, then I hope they keep failing some more... 😂


Spotify reports record quarterly earnings

July 23, 2024

Spotify posted a record quarterly profit slightly ahead of analyst expectations on Tuesday, pushing its shares up more than 14% in premarket trading.

In the second quarter of 2024, the number of paying Spotify subscribers rose to 246 million, slightly above expectations.

Profit rose 45% from a year earlier to 1.11 billion euros ($1.21 billion), slightly above analysts' expectations for 1.07 billion euros. Earnings per share of 1.33 euros also beat estimates of 1.06 euros, according to IBES data from LSEG.

Revenue rose 20% to 3.81 billion euros for the second quarter of 2024, fractionally below analysts' estimates of 3.82 billion euros. The company did fall short of its own target for monthly active users (MAUs). Spotify previously said it aimed to reach 631 million monthly active users (MAUs), but only reached 626 million for the quarter.

The company said it had seen user numbers grow across all regions, but that it had not met its MAU goal due to "continued recalibration" of marketing activities.

Spotify's gross profit margin widened to 29.2% from 27.6% in the previous quarter.
 
Sweeney thinks Find My invades thieves privacy, so what ever flies out of his mouth should be taken accordingly.

Spotify however needs to "shut-the-front-door" about having to pay an "unfair commission" until they stop basing their business model on ripping off artists.
 
I can't believe anybody would defend Apple in this situation.

Comparison to consoles. Consoles are sold at a hardware loss. The hardware is subsidised so they can get licensing fees from them. Game companies understand this and are essentially subsidising the hardware to get more people into that consoles ecosystem and sharing the cost with the console owner for it's development etc. to make it easier to get into gaming. Apple products are sold at a premium with industry leading profits, more akin to buying a computer than a subsidised console.

The issue is, if you sign up to say Netflix on your iPhone, do you think Apple deserves 30% of that? Or do you think you should have to pay 30% more just because you're an iPhone user than other platforms?

It's ludicrous to double dip, lock the iPhone down, and try to take 15-30% of the entire economy on hardware that has been bought and paid for by the consumer.

I understand and have supported them in the past that mobile devices are fundamentally different than computers like a mac, and therefore maybe should be more secure, but this is just absolute greed. It's one thing to tax candy crush, it's entirely another to want 30% of every audiobook you listen to on Audible, or 30% of your software you use for your accounting like Xero just because Apple feels like they own you.
So if apple decided to sell an iphone at a loss you'd support apples fees? What about the consoles that are not sold at a loss? Trying to claim a console's app store policies should be different than the iphone is the weakest argument out there.
 
If Spotify is a failing company, then I hope they keep failing some more... 😂


Spotify reports record quarterly earnings

July 23, 2024

Spotify posted a record quarterly profit slightly ahead of analyst expectations on Tuesday, pushing its shares up more than 14% in premarket trading.

In the second quarter of 2024, the number of paying Spotify subscribers rose to 246 million, slightly above expectations.

Profit rose 45% from a year earlier to 1.11 billion euros ($1.21 billion), slightly above analysts' expectations for 1.07 billion euros. Earnings per share of 1.33 euros also beat estimates of 1.06 euros, according to IBES data from LSEG.

Revenue rose 20% to 3.81 billion euros for the second quarter of 2024, fractionally below analysts' estimates of 3.82 billion euros. The company did fall short of its own target for monthly active users (MAUs). Spotify previously said it aimed to reach 631 million monthly active users (MAUs), but only reached 626 million for the quarter.

The company said it had seen user numbers grow across all regions, but that it had not met its MAU goal due to "continued recalibration" of marketing activities.

Spotify's gross profit margin widened to 29.2% from 27.6% in the previous quarter.
Didn’t they also do an increase on subscriptions in that time frame? I am sure some people actually paid attention to that and picked a lower priced service but even more didn’t even pay attention and just shelled up more money each month. If you have a billion subscribers and they don’t react to a price increase of a dollar, then you just made yourself an extra billion each month.
 
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So if apple decided to sell an iphone at a loss you'd support apples fees? What about the consoles that are not sold at a loss? Trying to claim a console's app store policies should be different than the iphone is the weakest argument out there.
It has been proven already, that the console companies do not sell at a loss anymore. It might be super tight margins (over the life of the console). I just don’t understand why people still pop their heads up from under a rock and spew these falsehoods.

Then people like us who have paid attention have to deal with trying to correct them again and again.
 
“In the European Union where the new DMA law opens up app store competition, Apple continues its malicious compliance by imposing an illegal new 15% junk fee on users migrating to competing stores and monitor commerce on these competing stores.”

Sweeney choice of the word “user” instead of “developer” here is telling.
 
The iPhone, iPad and every other personal electronic device that is purchased by the customer needs to be completely unlocked. I own that phone and what applications and software I put on it is my business, not Apple's. If people want "muh security", then simply don't sideload or use third party app stores. Simple solution. This is ridiculous and I hope the DOJ gets involved and checks these greedy capitalist pigs. If you believe this is in the interest of your security, then I admire your glass half full perspective. I wish I could see things so positively, and I really wish this were truly about security, but it's not. Imagine if you had to use the AppStore on your Macs. People would come unglued. But it's always been this way, so no one realizes how ridiculous it is.
That’s fine but don’t expect to use Apples software development tools.
 
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The EU commision should have just ordered Apple to make iOS exactly like macOS. It's ultimately where we are gonna land but Apple is making it really hard and they're gonna have to pay a lot of fines before we get there.

The EU can make their own operating system then. There comes a point where there really is little to no upside to doing business there. There is a reason the economy there has been stagnant for 25 years and the entire block is basically a set of vassals for France and Germany at this point.
 
Good.

While I am unsure about illegal, deliberately convoluted and confusing? Absolutely. Scummy and disgusting? Also yes.

The more pushback so this blows up in Apple's face, the better.

This abhorrent malicious compliance has to stop.
Yeah sure it’s not like Spotify and Epic are decent corporations. They spend more time complaining about Apple than actually doing meaningful things for their customers. Apple has worked hard to get where it is and these 2 whingers just want everything for free.
 
I can't believe anybody would defend Apple in this situation.

Comparison to consoles. Consoles are sold at a hardware loss. The hardware is subsidised so they can get licensing fees from them. Game companies understand this and are essentially subsidising the hardware to get more people into that consoles ecosystem and sharing the cost with the console owner for it's development etc. to make it easier to get into gaming. Apple products are sold at a premium with industry leading profits, more akin to buying a computer than a subsidised console.

The issue is, if you sign up to say Netflix on your iPhone, do you think Apple deserves 30% of that? Or do you think you should have to pay 30% more just because you're an iPhone user than other platforms?

It's ludicrous to double dip, lock the iPhone down, and try to take 15-30% of the entire economy on hardware that has been bought and paid for by the consumer.

I understand and have supported them in the past that mobile devices are fundamentally different than computers like a mac, and therefore maybe should be more secure, but this is just absolute greed. It's one thing to tax candy crush, it's entirely another to want 30% of every audiobook you listen to on Audible, or 30% of your software you use for your accounting like Xero just because Apple feels like they own you.
Only console manufacturer currently selling hardware at a loss is Xbox. Nintendo never does it and Sony announced ps5 hardware being sold as a profit 6 months after launch. Consoles also aren’t inexpensive devices ps5 is currently $499 and Xbox just released a $599 series X model.
 
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correct, and that's their decision they'll have to live with. they knowingly bought a phone they can't side load apps into, so they should live with that decision.
I think people grossly overestimate the number of users that are dying to sideload apps.

Enterprise/corporate users can already do this through their organization MDM so that’s a non-issue.

MacRumors or any tech forum for that matter is not an accurate representation of the general public’s consensus on whether a feature is truly desired or not.

Let me state the obvious: Apple isn’t bleeding users from the lack of sideloading or from this EU/DMA/App Store commission drama, so it doesn’t make business sense to add the feature. If anything, it would take away business (hence Apple’s reluctance) but the average user doesn’t understand nor care especially when a large company’s finances are affected. So there’s that.
 
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If app devs have to pay a fee, ultimately it's *us* who end up paying more. Defending Apple in this scenario is ridiculous.

Right. Like the time Apple cut small developers’ fees by 50%, developers reduced price. Oh wait, they didn’t.

Apple did NOT spend billions and billions making a phone.

Considering Apple spent nearly 175 billion over 10 years and teh iPhone is significant revenue driver, I’d say billions and billions a good number.

“In the European Union where the new DMA law opens up app store competition, Apple continues its malicious compliance by imposing an illegal new 15% junk fee on users migrating to competing stores and monitor commerce on these competing stores.”

I suppose Epic’s fees to use it engine is a junk fee on users as well.

Maybe the EU should require any app pointing users to outside pruchasing apps charge 30% less?
 
If app devs have to pay a fee, ultimately it's *us* who end up paying more. Defending Apple in this scenario is ridiculous.
And on the flip side, eliminating commissions altogether won’t save the consumer a cent. Sweeny and Spotify keep talking the talk that this is all to benefit consumers — no it isn’t. You won’t see a single cent in savings passed on to you.

In fact, here’s what will go down:
- App Store commissions eliminated
- Prices for all in app purchases drop to normal street rates (as if purchased on the company’s website)
- Couple months or a year go by (enough time for people to forget about this drama)
- 10% price increase, then another 10% in 6 months and then another 10% after a year.

That 30% is leverage the company wants for raising prices, not for saving you money.
 
Sounds like the whiners want Apple to supply all the systems required to direct customers to their stores for free. If that was so easy, the freeloaders would have done it already.
 
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Didn’t they also do an increase on subscriptions in that time frame? I am sure some people actually paid attention to that and picked a lower priced service but even more didn’t even pay attention and just shelled up more money each month. If you have a billion subscribers and they don’t react to a price increase of a dollar, then you just made yourself an extra billion each month.
And they lied about providing lossless quality at the same time.
 
The real story is that Apple charges you $1500 for a Macbook and $1500 for an iPhone. Both come with years of patches, free OS upgrades every year, and near-identical processors. One lets you install ANYTHING you want, the other is completely locked down so Apple can squeeze 15-30% out of the customer (yes, the cost is passed on to the end user). The iPhone is a de facto personal computer, and in many cases it is the only computing device a person owns. And yet paying customers are forbidden from installing software that does not appear in the App Store.

The locked down ecosystem is a relic from the cellular industry, way back before the iPhone even existed. It’s time to move on…
 
By the time Epic and Spotify get the terms down to 0% for Apple, the industry will have moved on to spatial computing and no one will care about content on smartphones and tablets. Apple will argue that because spatial computing hasn't replaced the ubiquity of smartphones and tablets that the rules shouldn't apply, which buys Apple another maybe 15 years, by which time they will have figured out how to dominate without any kind of App Store profits.
 
The real story is that Apple charges you $1500 for a Macbook and $1500 for an iPhone. Both come with years of patches, free OS upgrades every year, and near-identical processors. One lets you install ANYTHING you want, the other is completely locked down so Apple can squeeze 15-30% out of the customer (yes, the cost is passed on to the end user). The iPhone is a de facto personal computer, and in many cases it is the only computing device a person owns. And yet paying customers are forbidden from installing software that does not appear in the App Store.

The locked down ecosystem is a relic from the cellular industry, way back before the iPhone even existed. It’s time to move on…
Pretty sure I can’t install whatever I want onto my car infotainment system. Whether it’s a phone, a car or a washing machine, it makes no difference. Faux rage my friend…
 
Sounds like the whiners want Apple to supply all the systems required to direct customers to their stores for free. If that was so easy, the freeloaders would have done it already.

It’s worth remembering that the DMA does not expressly prohibit Apple from charging developers or monetising its platform. Only that Apple allows for third party app stores and sideloading.

The implication is there, but again, nothing in the DMA forbids Apple from doing so.

Asking a for-profit company to not charge for money when they are legally allowed to is asking for the moon. You want Apple to not charge those fees? Rewrite the DMA expressly forbidding Apple from doing so.
 
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