Apple needs to pay some billion dollars and Apple wants to pay. Apple wants to trick DMA and play hide and seek with the EU.
Margrethe Vestager, take over. Fine em.
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Epic Games and Spotify Say Apple's Latest DMA Changes Are 'Illegal' and 'Deliberately Confusing'
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Can‘t wait for Apple to start wining about all the lost customers.
Apple just needs to ditch EU controlled markets at this point. EU thinks they know how a phone’s OS should be? Build your own then. I’d imagine many of the EU members have bigger issues to worry about in their respective countries, but this is their focus…
Once again. Someone who doesn‘t understand that everything is about shareholder value.
If Apple would make more money it would certainly do, but as long as Apple makes a dime in the EU it won‘t. And also once again: our market and we make the rules. Highway robbery is not allowed.
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I'm fed up with this guy's attitude. If he wants to be a freeloader, he can go freeload somewhere else. People have moved on since Apple canceled his developer account. He's like those leftists who complain about everything and want everything for free
From the guy who runs an App Store charging other developers a cut, complaining about another App Store charging developers a cut.
It was never about fairness. Only what is to his advantage and his alone.
It’s convoluted mess of a solution to a convoluted mess of a regulation.
The fact Microsoft is in hot waters with the DMA for bundling Teams into Office is all anyone needs to know about how well thought out the DMA is.
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Why is Apple not allowed to open up their own Store in Fornite then and compete against Epic their own store in their own game?
Steam would also love to put their own Store in Fornite without having to do any of the work of developing the game.
Steam would also love to put their own Store in Fornite without having to do any of the work of developing the game.
You’re delusional if you think this is EU’s focus. The EU is a big organisation and can do more than one thing at once, and I can assure you that this specific one is definitely not a big priority nor one Europeans and their governments speak a lot about. That being said it is worth pursuing as companies have to respect the law and Apple isn’t. It will be punished for it.
Considering how much the EU moans week after week after week about Apple, I find it difficult to believe going after Apple isn’t a priority for the EU. Again, it’s becoming on the point that companies are better off not doing business within the EU until they come to terms with reality that they can’t control every aspect of everything in the world.
The EU is a cartel of European countries which is against competition. If Ireland offers lower corporate tax than other countries, they will make sure that Ireland will not compete.
So the EU doesn't believe in competition at all. They are doing this because their own industry is not competitive at all.
The features that need a subscription fee to use? https://mobilesyrup.com/2024/08/08/apple-intelligence-20-mo-analyst/
That would actually be fine, but Apple doesn't offer that choice. As an app developer you are forced to submit to their rules whether you use their tools or not.
So following your logic.....
Let's say a company designed a phone for only White people, and Black people were either not allowed to buy it, or there was an extra charge for Black people.
If Black people did not like this (racist) then they can stop moaning and just develop their own popular phone to sell to black people.
Legally we do not allow this (racist) and no normal person would think this would be acceptable either.
Using the "If you don't like something then develop your own" is not something we accept in society, we have rules to keep things fair and open for everyone.
The EU is a joke. Now Germany is telling the EU to chill out as they are making enemies with China, and the EU is finished if China decides to.
Aye.
Maybe the spirit of the law, but not the letter of the law. So what Apple is doing is technically legal. Technically legal is why lawyers gets paid the big buck. Blame the EU for not writing the law in such a way that leaves no room for alternative interpretations.
Look at the auto manufacturers exploiting loopholes in fuel efficiency laws by making behemoth trucks that's "12 yards long, 2 lanes wide, 65 tons of American pride."
I don't use software by either vendor. The entitled behavior when both Epic & Spotify leach off FOSS contributions and don't give back to the Linux Community is just another example of freeloading unchecked.
2022 Spotify sponsored a few projects for a total of $100k they have leeched off since they were founded.
Without GCC or LLVM/Clang Unreal Engine isn't on Linux or macOS, yet nowhere do they give back to either project.
Apple financed and created a team internally to create Lattner's future project, Clang and is the primary funder for LLVM/Clang.
All Spotify has to invest is limited to their games and game engine both of which relies on tool chains they didn't develop billions into a gave back to the world.
We all benefit from CUPS that Apple completely purchased, revamped and extended while giving back to FOSS. Linux printing would be in the Stone Age without it.
Users take it for granted. Sweeney was sleazily stealing tens of millions per quarter from parents via their children until criminal charges were filed.
Spotify lists their June 2024 corporate effective tax rate at
-1.48%.
Apple's effective tax rate is listed at
15.87%.
Wake me Spotify pays the IRS the prevailing effective tax rate they should be paying.
I doubt the EU is taking a bath, or if they are then perhaps the US State Department needs to have some conversations with the EU.
2022 Spotify sponsored a few projects for a total of $100k they have leeched off since they were founded.
Without GCC or LLVM/Clang Unreal Engine isn't on Linux or macOS, yet nowhere do they give back to either project.
Apple financed and created a team internally to create Lattner's future project, Clang and is the primary funder for LLVM/Clang.
All Spotify has to invest is limited to their games and game engine both of which relies on tool chains they didn't develop billions into a gave back to the world.
We all benefit from CUPS that Apple completely purchased, revamped and extended while giving back to FOSS. Linux printing would be in the Stone Age without it.
Users take it for granted. Sweeney was sleazily stealing tens of millions per quarter from parents via their children until criminal charges were filed.
Spotify lists their June 2024 corporate effective tax rate at
-1.48%.
Apple's effective tax rate is listed at
15.87%.
Wake me Spotify pays the IRS the prevailing effective tax rate they should be paying.
I doubt the EU is taking a bath, or if they are then perhaps the US State Department needs to have some conversations with the EU.
You should never negotiate with terrorists
I always pay Spotify, Amazon, OneDrive and other subscriptions outside the iOS ecosystem (Web Browser mostly) but install and use the services in both iOS and Android. Don’t have to pay through iOS App and the problem solved. Spotify and others have to mandate users to have emails and communicate each user with the options to pay outside the iOS and make them save some money!
Will Spotify and Epic be happy and content with anything else besides being able to distribute their apps on iOS completely free of charge?