The last thing I want is to have to download the Microsoft store to put outlook on my phone, the play store to put chrome and gmail on my phone, the Citrix store to put Workspace on my phone, the Facebook store to put FB and Insta on my phone. Just like everything on PC requires a different store. And if Epic wins, the iPhone will be just like this.
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Epic Games Asks Court to Allow Fortnite Back on the App Store
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That's what Epic wants you to believe, but if they really wanted back in the App Store all they'd have to do is follow Apple's rules. They still want a judge to force Appel to host them without following Apple's rules.
I really hope the residing judge just repeats what was said a few weeks ago. Whilst there may be irreperable harm to Epic's business, it's 100% of their own making. Yes, you have every right to challenge the App Store rules, but until you win or those rules change, they stand. So you wanna cash in, play the game.
Epic, cut your losses, give Apple its cut. And to make up for bring some of your other titles to the Mac platform.
Epic's greed knows no bounds. They knew what the terms were with Apple when they signed up for their developer account. They don't deserve special treatment because they have had a popular app and I'm with Apple for booting them off their store for violating the policies they agreed to. Amazon, eBay, Google Play, Microsoft, Sony, Apple, all of them get a cut of the sales on their stores. So screw Epic and I hope Apple buries them in court.
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There's already a solution to this, Epic, and it's something you can do, today.
You'll be allowed back onto the app store as soon as you follow the same rules everyone else does.
You'll be allowed back onto the app store as soon as you follow the same rules everyone else does.
That video does a good job of highlighting Epic's real agenda which is to have its own App Store on iOS and Android.
This, I find as an iOS user, is a terrifying prospect because if you crack open iOS to allow installation of software from multiple sources you end up back in the PC-era of trojans, viruses and spy ware.
There's too many in power who want to see iOS split wide open. Government and the advertising industry (Facebook, yeah, you.)
So expect to see Epic getting support from those who want to see your device open to their their abuse.
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So, just to make sure I am understanding the events properly:
- Epic signed a contract with Apple, which included conditions of being in the App Store, which included a stipulation that they use Apples payment system for any in-app purchases, and stipulating Apple gets to keep 30% revenue
- When they are big enough, they want to make things better for themselves. They don’t just go to court to contest the rules they previously agreed to, but they implement a competing payment system, not just willfully ignoring the contract, but also publicizing the move to garner sympathy from the public
- Apple removes Epic games from the App Store and terminates their developer account after a judge agrees that Apple has the right to do so due to Epics behavior. Said judge even notes in the decision that Epic has done this to themself, and specifically notes that all it takes is removing the unauthorized payment system to get back in the App Store, something Apple has publicly said they would do
- Epic now cries out, saying their removal from the App Store has killed active users (60% of iOS users) and has caused ‘irreparable harm’ - something, in case it hasn’t been covered enough, it did to itself (all to prove a point). Now they want to get back in App Store while continuing to violate the contract they previously agreed to.
Given the judge has already suggested there is an easy way to get back (what is it again...oh right...following the rules everyone else has to), and specifically said it is something Epic has brought in itself, I somehow don’t see the court deciding that oh...they suffered of their own making, but sure, I’ll force them to be allowed back in. Anyone else see even a shining hope for Epic here?
At this point, is there anyone in the general public who is sympathetic to Epic here? I get there are those who don’t like the Apple system...there’s definitely areas for debate, sure, but the say Epic has behaved, it seems they got what they deserved. They know the easy way out of this, but they won’t take it, because they’ve know put themselves in a corner that they can’t back out of without losing face. You get what you deserve.
- Epic signed a contract with Apple, which included conditions of being in the App Store, which included a stipulation that they use Apples payment system for any in-app purchases, and stipulating Apple gets to keep 30% revenue
- When they are big enough, they want to make things better for themselves. They don’t just go to court to contest the rules they previously agreed to, but they implement a competing payment system, not just willfully ignoring the contract, but also publicizing the move to garner sympathy from the public
- Apple removes Epic games from the App Store and terminates their developer account after a judge agrees that Apple has the right to do so due to Epics behavior. Said judge even notes in the decision that Epic has done this to themself, and specifically notes that all it takes is removing the unauthorized payment system to get back in the App Store, something Apple has publicly said they would do
- Epic now cries out, saying their removal from the App Store has killed active users (60% of iOS users) and has caused ‘irreparable harm’ - something, in case it hasn’t been covered enough, it did to itself (all to prove a point). Now they want to get back in App Store while continuing to violate the contract they previously agreed to.
Given the judge has already suggested there is an easy way to get back (what is it again...oh right...following the rules everyone else has to), and specifically said it is something Epic has brought in itself, I somehow don’t see the court deciding that oh...they suffered of their own making, but sure, I’ll force them to be allowed back in. Anyone else see even a shining hope for Epic here?
At this point, is there anyone in the general public who is sympathetic to Epic here? I get there are those who don’t like the Apple system...there’s definitely areas for debate, sure, but the say Epic has behaved, it seems they got what they deserved. They know the easy way out of this, but they won’t take it, because they’ve know put themselves in a corner that they can’t back out of without losing face. You get what you deserve.
Looking at see Epic Games, Inc. v. Apple Inc. (4:20-cv-05640) sort by descending.
The problem with EPIC argument is that they essentially want the apple store to be a gateway to their store. Its not the commission reduction that's being fought over, rather its the unethical manner they think all stores should be open platforms. Well its not their choice or right to demand that. They should have spent more time proposing something that benefits both parties not so one-sided. Good Luck with this virtual jailbreak scheme to IOS devices that will never fly.
The problem with EPIC argument is that they essentially want the apple store to be a gateway to their store. Its not the commission reduction that's being fought over, rather its the unethical manner they think all stores should be open platforms. Well its not their choice or right to demand that. They should have spent more time proposing something that benefits both parties not so one-sided. Good Luck with this virtual jailbreak scheme to IOS devices that will never fly.
Why would the courts be irked? What law are they breaking?
It’s the exact same thing every other appliance computing manufacturer does.
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Fall Guys is getting very popular isn't it Epic?
I used to think Apple bent their own rules to suit their needs, but I was misinformed about how they treated Spotify, Netflix, etc. Seems fair overall now. And it's their store anyway. Epic can pound sand.
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Yup. Getting desperate fairly quickly here. Colossal miscalculation by Epic's Leadership and Legal Team. Thought "Everyone would rush to their defense in facing down the Big Bad Wolf." When in fact they are in violation of their agreement and are alone on an island now.
Sweeney needs to simply follow the rules to get back in. Then continue his fight against all the injustice being brought upon the worlds children who are hopelessly addicted to this silly software based entertainment.
Personally, I hope Tim hangs Epic out to dry as a Poster Child (Pun Intended). Can't get enough popcorn for this one. 😂
Comment section full of people who have their entire life savings in Apple stock desperately trying to justify Apple's anti-competitive behaviour.
I hate to be cliché but if Steve Jobs were alive he would have a field day with this and treat them like he treated Adobe Flash and I would enjoy every minute of it.
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Epic are so full of BS it’s getting embarrassing at this point.
They’ve already played their hand and lost. Epicly. They have no grounds to make any case.
Apple is selling a whole product that is a hardware/software combination. They are under no obligation to have anything run on their product they don’t want to. It is same for video game consoles, smart TVs and everything else.
Calling them a monopoly is also shamefully misleading. There are plenty of other phones with different app stores to choose from.
They’ve already played their hand and lost. Epicly. They have no grounds to make any case.
Apple is selling a whole product that is a hardware/software combination. They are under no obligation to have anything run on their product they don’t want to. It is same for video game consoles, smart TVs and everything else.
Calling them a monopoly is also shamefully misleading. There are plenty of other phones with different app stores to choose from.
This made my day 😂😂😂 now they are losing money quick. I think EPIC is starting to realize “the iPhone purchasers” really don’t care about fortnite. Want to cry out? Make your own phone, operating system, and ecosystem... until then... keep trying to shove your sorry excuse for the “epic game store” around. This is tragic at best.
IIRC, google is in the same boat as apple when it comes to Epic's issue on 30% cut. The only difference is that you can side-load apps to your android device whereas with Apple you can't.
In my opinion, I rather stay in Apple's world and their app store than side loading apps from who knows where and get virus, etc.
Why should Apple host free apps and provide a user base of over a billion people to Epic for no return at all?
Epic was given the choice to return, they spat their dummy out their mouth like a spoilt brat!
please can you tell me what law the App Store is breaking?
Just to remind you the entire iPhone is a hardware/software product in itself. In the same way as a Playstaion, a Nintendo Switch or a Smart TV.. they design it to run what they want.
Android is merely an operating system to allow hardware manufacturers a universal open approach to an OS. Which is why it’s so open. That doesn’t mean Apple has to be.
Just a week after Apple terminated Epic Games' developer account, Epic has filed for a preliminary injunction that would both allow Fortnite back on the App Store and restore access to its developer account.
In the filing, Epic Games says it was willing to challenge Apple "because it was the right thing to do" and "it was better positioned than many other companies to weather the storm." Epic describes Apple as a "monopolist" who maintains its dominant position by "explicitly prohibiting any competitive entry" to both app distribution and in-app payment processing markets.
Epic mentions that it's "likely to suffer irreparable harm" if Fortnite is not made available on the App Store and that "the balance of harms tips strongly in Epic’s favor," citing that daily iOS active users have already declined by over 60% since the app's initial removal from the App Store.
Fortnite introduced a direct payment option in mid-August that skirted Apple's in-app purchase system by allowing payments directly to Epic Games. Apple shortly after pulled the app from the App Store for disregarding App Store policies, which has lead to a lawsuit from Epic and a quickly escalating legal fight between the two companies.
Epic has refused to back down from the direct purchase option added to Fortnite, and Apple won't allow the app in the App Store while the direct payment option remains. Apple told Epic that it's ready to "welcome Fortnite back onto iOS" if Epic removes the direct payment option and returned to the status quo while the legal battle plays out in court, but Epic has refused.
The preliminary injunction was filed on Friday in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California, and the hearing will take place on September 28.
Article Link: Epic Games Asks Court to Allow Fortnite Back on the App Store
People have complained about Apple's walled off garden approach for years. If they offer the App Store as an option, but don't block sideloading for companies who choose to go that route, then fine. But Apple has created a very tight parameter for how you're able to engage with the device you own. Good on Epic for going against this system, and all of you should be encouraging this as a way to hopefully open up the choice to use your device how you best see fit.