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To 3., and thats why we need new laws to control this. Nobody should be able to ban anybody from a platform with a user base size bigger than X(tbd). X needs to be defined, and maybe they have to add more parameters as definition.
That's what Apple will face in the EU with Digital Services Act and Digital Markets Act, and in the U.S. probably, too.
Not only Apple!
You can't be serious. Apple shouldn't be able to ban something on iPhone?! So you are fine with scam apps on the App Store with no ban then?
 
The difference is that phones have cameras, location tracker, and all these other sensors, contacts list, and other usage data that apps can request access to. PCs didn't have these. A sideloaded app can easily trick your mom and grandma to giving them access to these extremely private data.
Except for proxying women for "easily fooled" instead of using generic "people," I agree with this.
 
No, this would not shut up the developer’s calling for regulations. Consider that in ANY partnership, a 50/50 split is usually the best you can hope for, though you may have to deal with 40/60 or worse depending on the size of the company you’re partnering with. For any random developer jumping onto the App Store of a company the size of Apple getting a 70/30 split? That’s a pretty good split. :)

Anyone that would seriously complain about a 70/30 split would complain about ANYTHING, so even your chart would be rejected. This is why the vast majority of developers are deploying their code, cashing their checks (from around the world) and not saying a lot about this whole thing.

What's good price for someone is their right to consider. Fair price is a result of free market where offer and demand meets.

I think Epic and other companies providing subscription services are mainly not happy with 30% commission for in-app purchases.

What's the difference for Apple not charging this commission for pizza app but for virtual pizza app yes? Too outdated for todays.

Imagine buying hammer in a shop and be forced to give 30% commission from every paid job you use that hammer for. That's how in-app purchases feel more for developers I think.


If I'd be developer I'd let part of Apple's (or other platform companies) commission covered on behalf of customers. Let's say 25% on customers, 5% on me and being transparent on the reasons. I'd put text before purchase like: "Wondering why prices are 25% more here on iOS (Google Play, etc) than on some other platforms? That's because Apple (Google, etc) is charging us 30% commission from every purchase here unlike on other platforms where we can use payment providers with up to 5% commission. We can cover 5% here. If you're not happy with that, ask Apple (Google, etc)."

And if they would not allow this text to be there I'd share it publicly in social media to get people aware of that reason and let free market to work.
 
Let's face it, Apple is using it's monopoly power to force developers to use their app store in order for them to install apps on user's phone(and have to pay a tax to do so). How Apple got away with this for so long is beyond me. Imagine if MS locked down Windows and Apple iTunes had to pay MS 30% for every music and app store transaction that occurred on MS windows. Woulda been unheard of. iPod may never existed and digital music downloads may be $1.50 per song vs. $0.99/each.

Bottom line, Mobile Phone OS is no different that desktop OS and the restriction imposed for owners of iPhones from being able to install apps outside app store is outrageous and can't last forever.
Dude, go get yourself an Android phone (assuming you haven’t got one yet, which I doubt) because no one forces you to use Apple products, right?
 
are you joking? in what world do you live in that PCs/laptops don't have cameras or other sensitive data than what is on your phone. IN most cases one could easily argue the PC having more sensitive data than your phone.

Bottom line, MacOS and WinOS can install apps from any site and the world hasn't stopped, even Android allows installing from outside the google play store. What makes Apple so special to restrict this besides the obvious gain of 30% transaction tax they can impose on app devs. I know the answer, because when you control 56% US marketshare and have a Duopoly, you can get away with it. Not for long I hope.
Dude, just stick to Android ?
 
My idea would be digital store kinda like Steam that all companies and individuals contribute their digital works.. Anyone would be able to login and purchase, steam, read, play kinda like a library, All in one store

Who runs it, decides what content is allowed, who sets prices, who moderates the content, who resolves billing disputes, who controls access?
 
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What's the difference for Apple not charging this commission for pizza app but for virtual pizza app yes? Too outdated for todays.

The-Pizza-Store has a fixed cost for the price of a given pizza, it is a physical good. It costs them approximately the same cost to deliver 5 Extra Large Pizzas to your door than 1 Small which is why they offer discounts on multiple items purchased. The Pizza Store has real costs for ingredients, rent for their store, delivery drivers should they choose to employ them.

The cost of The-Pizza-Game selling you 1 Pizza and 100,000 Pizzas is grossly different, as is the cost of delivery of said 100,000 pizzas. Different cost structures, different margins, different commission.
 
What's good price for someone is their right to consider. Fair price is a result of free market where offer and demand meets.
You’re absolutely right! And, the good thing is, it’s a 70/30 split, clear and across the board. Developers are free to agree or disagree. The vast majority agree and, if they have good business practices, they’re making a profit. I’d actually say it’s exceedingly difficult to NOT make a profit with a 70/30 split if you have an app that users desire. BUT, if the developer, in their personal life, is a fan of $20,000 gallons of water… yeah, they would likely rather a more friendly split before they’d give up those quite necessary gallons of water. :)

Imagine buying hammer in a shop and be forced to give 30% commission from every paid job you use that hammer for. That's how in-app purchases feel more for developers I think.
No, to MOST developers, the ones that are quietly driving that “paid to developers” number of Apple’s up, see it as a cost of doing business. Like the computer they own, the electricity to run that computer, the house/apartment where they keep that computer OR the office they go to every day (and the food they consume during it all). They wouldn’t expect a 100% cut of sales any more than they’d expect to given food every day for free (no such thing as a free lunch). I’m sure some do, some REALLY REALLY do, and you’re never going to make anyone happy when what they want is to remove the cost of doing business. And, since those people will never be happy, trying to placate them will never be beneficial.
 
Well, I do, but this fictional cat platform scenario is kinda non-sense, because it does not anticompetitively interlock multiple business types like Apple does, and has no multipurpose device that serves as a gateway to core technologies used in our economy, infrastructure, and the web.

Anyway, it would be different if this cat platform became heavy weight like Facebook, able to influence citizens(cats) on multiple topics. Yes, you just described Catbook, then yes regulations must apply here, too. That’s exactly what Facebook was at the beginning, just a single purpose platform, but they stretched to multiple business types and must face regulations, just like Apple and Google.
So, a hardware platform created to share pictures of cats, and that’s it, NOTHING else, you would say that once they get to X(tbd), they’re no longer able to moderate the hardware and image viewing software they built and they have to allow anyone and everyone to do whatever they want.

I suppose “We reserve the right to refuse” ONLY counts for physical spaces.
 
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Let's face it, Apple is using it's monopoly power to force developers to use their app store in order for them to install apps on user's phone(and have to pay a tax to do so). How Apple got away with this for so long is beyond me. Imagine if MS locked down Windows and Apple iTunes had to pay MS 30% for every music and app store transaction that occurred on MS windows. Woulda been unheard of. iPod may never existed and digital music downloads may be $1.50 per song vs. $0.99/each.

Bottom line, Mobile Phone OS is no different that desktop OS and the restriction imposed for owners of iPhones from being able to install apps outside app store is outrageous and can't last forever.

I know it's pointless responding, but a "tax to do so".... really? You realize that retail is a legitimate business, right?

When you walk into a local store and buy a carton of milk, was that product marked up by "a tax" by the store owner? You expect the store owner to sell it to you at the same price that they paid, effectively making $0.00?

Now, enter Apple. They built the platform, built the distribution platform (App Store) and continue to invest millions of dollars every year, and you expect that they do that for $0.00 because otherwise it's a "tax"?

So, Apple deserves to mark up the products that they distribute, because it's costs money to run that retail storefront, just like any business. Nothing illegal about it.

Now, your argument is that the App Store is the _only_ storefront for iOS and iPad apps. So therefore, developers have no choice but to use them, and pay the "tax".

Okay, let's force Apple to enable side-loading.... and just watch what happens. When the stability and integrity of your iPhone goes to ****, don't blame Apple. They were only trying to provide a safe, trusted environment, and you wanted something different. So no complaining.
 
That store already exists; it’s called the World Wide Web. At least for our computers. Apple had different idea$ for iPhone apps.
 
Sweeney is a joke. I'm surprised anyone still listens to him.

First he was advocating for multiple stores on Apple devices, now he wants a single store for all devices? How can these two arguments come from the same person?
 
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Sweeney is a joke. I'm surprised anyone still listens to him.

First he was advocating for multiple stores on Apple devices, now he wants a single store for all devices? How can these two arguments come from the same person?
Samsung is laughing at him by parading him around to their executives and judges in South Korea. In their native language showcasing Tim Sweeney as the worst example of American leadership, how to ruin a once successful business and recommending to quickly dump any investments as an Epic Failure is about to transpire.
 
He could start with opening his casting-couch-gated elite-only store to all developers?
Before closing the other stores that are actually paying for food on our tables.
 
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You can't be serious. Apple shouldn't be able to ban something on iPhone?! So you are fine with scam apps on the App Store with no ban then?
Nope they shouldn’t, but in the AppStore, yes. The problem is there is no AppStore escape route.

E.g if I wish to install a malware in my hardware, e.g for security research reasons, it’s up to me and my decision, i bought the device, and it should be fully under my control.
 
So, a hardware platform created to share pictures of cats, and that’s it, NOTHING else, you would say that once they get to X(tbd), they’re no longer able to moderate the hardware and image viewing software they built and they have to allow anyone and everyone to do whatever they want.

I suppose “We reserve the right to refuse” ONLY counts for physical spaces.
Completely ignoring the multipurpose device aspect is also an option, right?!
 
a simple corporate congress from the companies that are invested in the digital store.
That is a great idea and so simple if it weren’t for the fact that there is nothing simple about a corporate congress made up of multiple companies, each with their own agenda, trying to agree on how to run a collective business. It’s scary how many people seemingly have zero idea of how real businesses operate, especially with regard to retail (business to consumer). And to then be fooled by someone like Epic making arguments that are senseless just in an effort to keep their brand, or get their brand back, in front of consumers.

Even in this short period of time that apps on mobile devices have existed, there have been a lot of businesses that have gone from nothing to huge and back to irrelevant - when was the last time you thought of, or heard about, apps like Farmville, or Angry Birds? The same thing is happening to Epic and they’re trying to stop or slow the bleeding, instead of working on what the next big thing will be.
 
Disagree 100% !

They have NO credible & viable competition, except at the lower-end of the smartphone market !

And here I'm simply using the Basic Common Sense rule !

Years ago, back in 1997 I believe, Microsoft was forced to give Apple $150M USD to prop-up Apple, to create competition.

Soon, I believe Apple will be forced to do the same.

And, I think they will see the wisdom in doing so.

Otherwise, they risk losing control of it ALL !

Look at where Apple's stock was trading at the tail-end of 2019; that could be where it's headed very-soon if the App Store is Broken Up !

Which, IMO, has a 90% probability of happening.

Apple will fight it every step of the way, but they will lose !

Just like in Politics, when the Pendulum swings too far for too long in one direction, there is Backlash !
You need to turn off what you're calling common sense, you're misleading yourself...also, Microsoft was not forced to give that money to Apple, they chose to. You're basing almost all of your statements here on misunderstood information, so I guess it really is a lot like politics.
 
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