The only junk fees here are all the in-app purchases that Epic games has for it's game and not being able to buy a game out right.
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Epic Games CEO Says Apple Should Be Paid for App Review Only, Not External Purchase 'Junk Fees'
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They would be in the same place they are now. Fortnite is a majority console game.
My 12 yo and their friends love to play it on their Switch.
Just give me proper sideloading.
Hide it behind 20 warnings and switches if you want, I take full responsibility, but stop treating me like a child just so you protect your cuts and apply your draconian heavy handed control over the device that I PAID FOR!.
Hide it behind 20 warnings and switches if you want, I take full responsibility, but stop treating me like a child just so you protect your cuts and apply your draconian heavy handed control over the device that I PAID FOR!.
I have more than enough cleaned up Windows PCs of friends/family and I certainly do not want that on iOS, so the "walled garden" works better for me.
No need to discuss further, we can agree to disagree
That’s nice, but you’re still talking about windows. You’re ignoring macOS, which is disingenuous.
I’ve done the exact same with windows, but we’re not talking about windows or that would even be like Windows. It would be like macOS.
Bringing in macOS equals bringing in Windows, I'm not ignoring it. macOS has what, 10 or so % market share and it's not attractive enough for bad actors, iOS on the other hand would be.
Comparing macOS to iOS is disingenuous.
As I said, agree to disagree, I have no intentions to convince you nor will you convince me.
I'm simply allowed to voice my opinion as you are to voice yours.
Sony, Xbox and Nintendo all have the exact same payment model as the App Store, same fees and all. Your argument makes so sense at all.
And they are already hugely successful gaming companies.
Epic launched their store and no one wanted to develop for them so they had to pay for exclusivity. They also paid developers so they could give away games for free. That's how Epic built itself into a gaming brand.
Apple should be investing in game studios. Giving them money and tools so they can be successful. Buying exclusivity. That's how you build yourself up when you are so very small in this market and the developers just do not want to work with you. Spend money, don't just take money. Just a backwards view that keeps them as a bottom player in that industry.
Here's my idea of meeting in the middle...
If an app is free, it is hosted for free. Apple does this already.
Unless...
For paid apps (meaning paid to download or with in-app purchases), there is a hosting fee involved. Charge the developer $x per MB per month to host the app plus $y/mb per download (initial and updates). Datacenters and bandwidth aren't free.
Edit: drop the per transaction fee and make the fees scale with the amount of data stored and transferred.
It's not perfect and there are certainly nuances involved but Apple gets paid for what they provide (storage and bandwidth) and it scales with an app's popularity.
The free market, where stores can sell games for iOS in competition with Apple. I suspect if they could they'd whine Apple's 15% cut is unfair because they can't stay in business with only 15% and can't get developers if they charge more...
Doesn't matter once users have a choice. If they prefer Apple's then they have made their choice and are not restricted by a walled garden. It's not Apple's limiting them from buying from alternate stores anymore.
If it truly was, EPIC would not be whining about payment systems.
That's what I meant, I was just typing too fast XD
Yeah, I agree a fixed+variable component could work. Whatever happens needs to reduce friction and align incentives between Apple and developers. It's just a bad look for Apple to charge so much that their developers try to get their users to employ payment loopholes. Then again, it's also a bad look by Epic when they don't have enough of a coalition behind them. Just makes them look whiny that they can't keep all the money for themselves.
The reason MacOS is safer than Windows isn't because it's somehow special, it's because it has a market of ~100m users compared to billions of Windows users. So it's a much less attractive target. Not to mention, MacOS is absolutely more dangerous than iOS. Apple has over a billion users on iOS/iPadOS. A malicious app that infected 5% of iPhones would be equivalent to infecting half off all Macs on the planet.
iOS is a much, much more attractive target to bad actors. And as we see on Android, viruses and malware are absolutely an issue there. Why do you think that is? Are iOS users more sophisticated than Android users? Are Apple's engineers better than Google's? Or is it because sideloading and alternate app stores make it significantly easier for bad actors to get malware on to devices?
You mean people can buy the product that lets them do what they want? Great! Thank god Android/Mac/Windows exists!
I find it hilarious using one anecdotal experience to support the idea that most people play on consoles.
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you can pay for an android device. I paid for a closed system device. why are you trying to take away a closed system from me, something I paid for?
It is safer, though. macOS sandboxes app, Windows dos not. I would still personally like the option. I ran windows, more or less, full time until 2010 or so, and I got malware one time…which was minor and I removed.
I just don’t want an entire ecosystem pared down to the lowest common denominator of user.
Thats just sad to read.
So TS is just looking out for the smallest of users that play his games?
Steve Jobs originally offered WebApps for iPhone. Totally free. They can still do this today in fact.
The dev's rejected it.