Just because Sweeny/Ek vociferiously claim it is doesn't make it true
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Epic Games Has Paid Over $100 Million in Legal Fees to Fight Apple's App Store Rules
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Assuming any company, in this case Epic, will just use the money they could or could not have gotten from the App Store to hire more employees or put into research is naive of how businesses actually work.
We would be lucky if 5% went to such endeavors. What did all the tech companies do with the relief money from the pandemic and such? Stock buyback.
If you already have a winning product people will pay, why bother dumping more money in getting more human capital? That’s a lost.
We would be lucky if 5% went to such endeavors. What did all the tech companies do with the relief money from the pandemic and such? Stock buyback.
If you already have a winning product people will pay, why bother dumping more money in getting more human capital? That’s a lost.
You're responding to a post that says you have to follow the rules, i.e. the legal contract between Apple and Epic, but you post a quote from Steve Jobs that says nothing about breaking said rules.
I'm not "fond" of taxes, but I still pay them because I legally have to.
of course they didn't mention the employees that were let go because of Sweeney arrogance. hope they never make it to the store!
It won’t be reversed, it will be expanded worldwide. Apple’s walled garden is a thing of the past. Thankfully. Greed and anti consumer practices will not be tolerated anymore. It’s funny because Apple could have retained a lot more of its model of only had been a bit less greedy and less absurd with its many unreasonable rules and fees.
Of course. Losing a billion is nothing compared to what apple will lose
Now they are about to make a lot more thanks to the ruling.
I agree, this was fought with some stronger motivation, and I’m glad it was as it changed a broken and predatory business model. Everybody except Apple will benefit from this.
"But if you look at lost revenue, that's another story. We can't predict exactly how much we would have made on iOS, but in the two years that we were on the platform, Fortnite had made about $300 million on iOS. So you could have projected hundreds of millions of dollars of lost revenue as a result of the fight."
The lost revenue had nothing to do with this case. The lost revenue was because Epic violated a totally different clause of the developer agreement. That wasn't a legal expense, it was a gambling loss. They bet Apple would abandon their principles before giving up the revenue stream from Fortnite, and they lost.
Later this year, Epic Games also plans to launch Epic Games Store Webshops, a feature that will let developers launch digital storefronts that are hosted by the Epic Games Store. Webshops will be free for developers making under $1 million annually per app, and for bigger developers, Epic will collect a 12 percent fee.
So Apple charging 30% commission for creating and running the entire system is outrageous monopolistic behaviour but Epic Games charging 12% for piggy backing is virtuous 🤔
Reminds me of the saying
Epic : What kind of App Store do you think I am?
Apple : We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.
So Apple charging 30% commission for creating and running the entire system is outrageous monopolistic behaviour but Epic Games charging 12% for piggy backing is virtuous 🤔
Reminds me of the saying
Epic : What kind of App Store do you think I am?
Apple : We’ve already established that. Now we’re just haggling over the price.
One thing I hope we see from this is competitive pricing and more innovation from Apple. What I mean is the Steam version of a Mac game will go on sale almost every month, but maybe once every year or two on the Mac App Store.
Game Center has been pretty bad, hopefully Apple will feel they need to build a better gaming environment to compete.
I do not want exclusives on other stores though. If it’s coming to Mac/iOS, I want to see it on the App Store if it’s on any other store.
Game Center has been pretty bad, hopefully Apple will feel they need to build a better gaming environment to compete.
I do not want exclusives on other stores though. If it’s coming to Mac/iOS, I want to see it on the App Store if it’s on any other store.
Every? No. You don't speak for me.
I make my living from Apps and this BS is all about Epic getting it's own app store and fragmenting the market.
It's enough work just publishing to App Store and Play without more stores to have to deal with.
I was on Amazon App store for a while but it wasn't worth my time and I wasted too much time on it.
That taught me just how adding more app stores just doesn't scale for the small independent app developers.
At 15% I'm happy to let Apple have a cut. They are the merchant of record, I don't need to deal with local/nation tax, laws, refunds, credit cards, charge backs and all the other headaches involved. It's a fair deal.
So do us developers a favour and don't speak on our behalf like you have a clue what you are talking about.
Fair point! Everything you complained about someone is working on to make it easy to deal with. I assume you don’t have any patience but don’t worry my young eager friend, you’ll soon be very tempted to pay only 2.9% and question the 15% you’re giving Apple. Your message will not age well.
Given what an ******* Sweeney has been, I wonder if Apple could just say they don't want to do business with him. Similar to those no shirt, no shoes, no sale rules.
2.9% of a very small user base that will actually have the app store installed. The person said so themselves, they stopped the Amazon store due to the numbers. Doesn't matter if they take 0% if the time and investments literally means only a dozen sales.
They'll earn it back by not having to pay 1/3rd of their revenue to Apple going forward.
No chance.
If you are a monopolist/duopolist controlling a major platform, trying this would get them in trouble immediately. And in this case specifically, they'd be held in contempt by the court immediately.
I disagree. The problem is we buy the hardware. The customer should be able to install or buy from whoever or however they want on devices they buy. If AAPL needs to make more money it should charge more for the hardware but stop being anticompetitive.
Epic also lost customers that will never purchase an Epic game again.
It has cost Epic Games more than $100 million to challenge Apple's App Store rules in the ongoing Apple vs. Epic Games legal battle, Epic CEO Tim Sweeney said today in an interview with Business Insider.
Sweeney said that Epic Games has paid "legal bills" in excess of $100 million, but that the dispute has cost the company a lot more.
Sweeney went on to say that one could "easily imagine" that the total cost to Epic Games was a billion dollars or more based on lost revenue from iOS users, and lost revenue from people who didn't play because their friends on iOS weren't able to play.
While Epic Games largely lost its court case against Apple when a judge found that Apple did not have a monopoly, Epic Games scored a win because Apple was forced to drop its anti-steering App Store policies.
As part of the Epic Games vs. Apple legal battle, Apple was given an order to allow developers to direct customers to purchase options outside of the App Store. Apple was able to put off implementing the functionality for several years, but in 2024, did so in a way that still involved fees.
Just last week, the judge overseeing the Apple vs. Epic Games legal fight said that Apple was in contempt of court for failing to properly comply with the injunction. Apple was ordered to immediately implement new U.S. App Store rules allowing developers to add links to external websites where customers can make purchases. Apple is not allowed to collect commissions for purchases made using these links, nor can it control the look of the links or buttons that developers use.
Apple is appealing the decision, but in the meantime, it's a win for developers, and a win that was funded by Epic Games. Sweeney said last week that Epic Games would be bringing Fortnite back to the iOS App Store in the U.S. as a result of the ruling, and in the interview with Business Insider, he said that Fortnite would be taking advantage of Apple's new policies "later this week."
Apple banned Epic Games' U.S. developer account, but the company has an account in Sweden that it will use to bring Fortnite back to the U.S. App Store. Sweeney said that he would be "very surprised" if Apple "decided to brave the geopolitical storm of blocking a major app from iOS." He confirmed that Epic Games has informed Apple of what its plans are, so Apple is presumably aware that Fortnite will soon be submitted to the U.S. App Store.
Later this year, Epic Games also plans to launch Epic Games Store Webshops, a feature that will let developers launch digital storefronts that are hosted by the Epic Games Store. Webshops will be free for developers making under $1 million annually per app, and for bigger developers, Epic will collect a 12 percent fee.
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Good luck with the malware if you wish. Cybersecurity professionals will block third party app stores.