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[Michael Scrip]

How much of Apple's brand image has degraded due to the scam apps that Apple has RIGHT NOW in the store?

App Store scam apps make up almost 2% of top-grossing apps - 9to5Mac

Checks run by the Washington Post revealed that App Store scam apps make up almost 2% of the top-grossing apps, despite CEO Tim Cook ...

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According to a comment in the article... they say the actual number is 18 scam apps out of the top 1,000 top-grossing apps. That would be roughly 2%

Yeah I wish those scam apps weren't there at all.... but I don't think it's harming Apple's brand image the way you think it does.

Remember... there are almost two million apps in the App Store. And plenty of satisfied customers.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[I7guy]

How much of Apple's brand image has degraded due to the scam apps that Apple has RIGHT NOW in the store?

App Store scam apps make up almost 2% of top-grossing apps - 9to5Mac

Checks run by the Washington Post revealed that App Store scam apps make up almost 2% of the top-grossing apps, despite CEO Tim Cook ...

9to5mac.com

How much of Apple's brand image has degraded due to the increase in zero-day vulnerabilities?
How much of Apple's brand image has degraded when they handed over personal data to John does posing as authorities (From July to December 2020, Apple received 1,162 emergency requests, and it had provided data response to 93% of those requests.)

Apple and Facebook reportedly provided personal user data to hackers posing as law enforcement - 9to5Mac

In mid-2021, Apple provided customer data to hackers after they masqueraded themselves as law enforcement officials, shows a new report.

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Are you sure you are not kidding about the degradation of Apple's brand image for something as trivial as sideloading? Just pure FUD.

According to some posters on MR apples brand image is on a downward spiral, imo. But once the locks are off the gate and it’s a free for all, anything can happen.

 

[Beautyspin]

According to a comment in the article... they say the actual number is 18 scam apps out of the top 1,000 top-grossing apps. That would be roughly 2%

Yeah I wish those scam apps weren't there at all.... but I don't think it's harming Apple's brand image the way you think it does.

Remember... there are almost two million apps in the App Store. And plenty of satisfied customers.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

2% of the top apps are scam apps. That means 40k apps out of two million if the ratio stays the same. It could be more as bargain basement apps will not receive even that level of scrutiny. THAT'S A LOT.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

The profit share could become 70% too.

70%? Not likely I mean, if Apple revenue drops in every other market, maybe?

I'm saying, just closing down operations will not save Apple. They still have to provide warranty services and if they do not, they will have another problem on their hands. It is up to Apple whether it wants to ditch its users by not providing app updates. If they do not want to run their Appstore (which is the main issue here), then they can enable sideloading in iOS so that they can update their apps directly from the developers. Or they can stop providing app updates, which will alienate them from the customers and makes it highly difficult for them to ever come back. Remember, they will not only be selling phones, they will be selling many other things like laptops, cars, AR glasses, and who knows what in the coming years and for all those products, the EU and UK may not exist as a market for a long period.

Providing warranty service is already in place, they’d just run that out for three years. “Warranty Service” does not include running an App Store, providing for system updates, providing for App updates, etc. If Apple is forced to leave the market because it’s not profitable they don’t have to enable anything Yes, customers will not like the situation BUT they’ll buy other phones and be fine. And, as long as the rules making running their business in the EU is maintained, there is no “Re-entering the market” for Apple, Apple will just not operate in the region, just like North Korea.

Does not matter who provides the support, Apple will be held responsible.

Yes, as I wrote above, just run it out for three years. Just doing that is a lot cheaper that packaging, shipping products, running servers for those customers cloud data, providing support to developers and publishers in that country, etc. etc.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

2% of the top apps are scam apps. That means 40k apps out of two million if the ratio stays the same. It could be more as bargain basement apps will not receive even that level of scrutiny. THAT'S A LOT.

In the entire world, 40,000 scam apps. And, if sideloading was available, that number would stay the same OR drop, right? It CERTAINLY wouldn’t increase would it? Because malicious actors really are just a bunch of nice folks that don’t want to see the amount of malware increase.

/s

 

[Michael Scrip]

2% of the top apps are scam apps. That means 40k apps out of two million if the ratio stays the same. It could be more as bargain basement apps will not receive even that level of scrutiny. THAT'S A LOT.

That still means 98% of the 2,000,000 apps... or 1,960,000 apps... are likely not scams.

I see your point though. ?

Like I said... I wish those scam apps weren't there.

But I don't see how sideloading or alternative app stores will fix the scams in the App Store. That seems to be a separate issue.

 

[Beautyspin]

That still means 98% of the 2,000,000 apps... or 1,960,000 apps... are likely not scams.

I see your point though. ?

Like I said... I wish those scam apps weren't there.

But I don't see how sideloading or alternative app stores will fix the scams in the App Store. That seems to be a separate issue.

Normally, when people try to sideload an app, they may do some sort of research to understand if it is safe. However, if the same scam app is in the store, they will blindly download it. That is the problem of Appstore promoting scam apps.

 

[Beautyspin]

In the entire world, 40,000 scam apps. And, if sideloading was available, that number would stay the same OR drop, right? It CERTAINLY wouldn’t increase would it? Because malicious actors really are just a bunch of nice folks that don’t want to see the amount of malware increase.

/s

At the cost of repeating myself, out of the entire OS market, 83% are Windows, Android, and Linux OSes that allow sideloading. Why would something happen only to iOS when it is not happening on those OSes. Is it inherently not a secure OS? Are iOS users dumber than the users of other OSes? I do not think so. Everything will average out, ultimately.

 

[BaldiMac]

2% of the top apps are scam apps. That means 40k apps out of two million if the ratio stays the same. It could be more as bargain basement apps will not receive even that level of scrutiny. THAT'S A LOT.

85% of apps on the App Store are completely free, so it's a lot less than that.

2 million x 15% x 1.8% = 5,400 apps (0.27% of total apps)

 

[BaldiMac]

At the cost of repeating myself, out of the entire OS market, 83% are Windows, Android, and Linux OSes that allow sideloading. Why would something happen only to iOS when it is not happening on those OSes. Is it inherently not a secure OS? Are iOS users dumber than the users of other OSes? I do not think so. Everything will average out, ultimately.

There are certainly malicious apps on Windows and Android. Malware is a trillion dollar industry.

 

[jav6454]

According to some posters on MR apples brand image is on a downward spiral, imo. But once the locks are off the gate and it’s a free for all, anything can happen.

Exactly. The sideloading would eventually make way for a media-thread "I was scammed by a side loaded app, Apple sux"

 

[Mousse]

But I don't see how sideloading or alternative app stores will fix the scams in the App Store. That seems to be a separate issue.

Sideloading would enforce the old axiom of Caveat Emptor, let the buyer beware. The vast majority who sideload know what the heck we're doing.? Those who would sideload apps from questionable sources are the same sort who'd fall for those scam apps on the AppStore.?

Ain't nothing fool proof, since the ingenuity of fools is always underestimated.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

At the cost of repeating myself, out of the entire OS market, 83% are Windows, Android, and Linux OSes that allow sideloading. Why would something happen only to iOS when it is not happening on those OSes.

Are you truly attempting to indicate that users on Windows Android and Linux AREN’T being scammed? To the tune of billions a year? There are security researchers that would disagree.

At the cost of actually being relevant, there are 45,000 potentially scam apps that have the possibility on getting onto an Apple user’s device. 45,000. That’s it and that’s at the MOST. You propose, “Hey, all these other platforms have tons of malware, why should the iPhone be the only platform with only 45,000 pieces of scam ware? Why can’t iOS users be financially ruined and have their personal information stolen by way their devices? Think about those people that WANT to be scammed, they have to get a separate device! Who wants to go through that? Think about the malware vendors that ONLY have 45,000 ways to get into iPhones, shouldn’t they have the freedom to scam any iOS users they want without the App Store in the way?”

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Exactly. The sideloading would eventually make way for a media-thread "I was scammed by a side loaded app, Apple sux"

will just be a minority, so nobody will care. just as barely anyone talks about android scams

 

[jav6454]

will just be a minority, so nobody will care. just as barely anyone talks about android scams

Mainly due to the fact that Android users in general bury their heads in the sand in that aspect.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Mainly due to the fact that Android users in general bury their heads in the sand in that aspect.

Or it’s a non issue.

 

[BaldiMac]

Or it’s a non issue.

Android-powered connected devices are fifty times more likely to be infected with malware when compared to iOS.​

Android devices are nearly fifty times more likely to be infected by malware than Apple devices, revealed Nokia’s latest threat intelligence report. According to the whitepaper, Android devices were responsible for 47.15% of the observed malware infections, Windows/ PCs for 35.82%, IoT for 16.17% and iPhones for less than 1%.

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[Unregistered 4U]

Android-powered connected devices are fifty times more likely to be infected with malware when compared to iOS.​

Android devices are nearly fifty times more likely to be infected by malware than Apple devices, revealed Nokia’s latest threat intelligence report. According to the whitepaper, Android devices were responsible for 47.15% of the observed malware infections, Windows/ PCs for 35.82%, IoT for 16.17% and iPhones for less than 1%.

How can I stop an unexpected Windows 10 update?

Waiting for Windows 10 update to complete seems to take forever – especially when the process launches unexpectedly. Learn how to delay installation until a time that is more convenient for you.

www.pandasecurity.com

THIS! Think of all the malicious actors unable to make a dishonest living via iOS systems! Won’t the EU please think of the children of the malicious actors do SOMETHING that makes it possible for citizens in the EU to be scammed out of millions of dollars through iOS? The EU regulators should NOT rest until every EU citizen has the freedom to have the identity of themselves and everyone in their address book sold to the highest bidder because someone in their circle decided they REALLY needed to download that vape app from n0tascåm.com. It was free with no ads, how could they resist!
/s

 

[jav6454]

Or it’s a non issue.

I highly doubt that given Android's propensity for malware.

 

[Beautyspin]

85% of apps on the App Store are completely free, so it's a lot less than that.

2 million x 15% x 1.8% = 5,400 apps (0.27% of total apps)

Why can't free apps be scam apps? Scam apps can take different forms. My 40k seems conservative.

Developer exposes another multimillion dollar scam app on the App Store - 9to5Mac

While Apple claims the App Store has "the apps you love" in a place "you can trust," a developer has shown time and time again that this is not true.

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[Beautyspin]

Are you truly attempting to indicate that users on Windows Android and Linux AREN’T being scammed? To the tune of billions a year? There are security researchers that would disagree.

At the cost of actually being relevant, there are 45,000 potentially scam apps that have the possibility on getting onto an Apple user’s device. 45,000. That’s it and that’s at the MOST. You propose, “Hey, all these other platforms have tons of malware, why should the iPhone be the only platform with only 45,000 pieces of scam ware? Why can’t iOS users be financially ruined and have their personal information stolen by way their devices? Think about those people that WANT to be scammed, they have to get a separate device! Who wants to go through that? Think about the malware vendors that ONLY have 45,000 ways to get into iPhones, shouldn’t they have the freedom to scam any iOS users they want without the App Store in the way?”

All I am trying to say is that there is nothing special about apps in the Appstore. There are pretty good chances of getting scammed both on the Appstore as well as out of it.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

There are pretty good chances of getting scammed both on the Appstore as well as out of it.

No, right now there’s zero chances of getting scammed on an iPhone outside the App Store. I mean, it’s fine, someone has to speak for the malware providers, right. Without people like you making a principled stand for those that really want to scam iOS users, iPhone folks may have to just make do with only 45,000 potential malware apps!

If you find any stories related to this, all of them say something like “While the marketing material says users can “cancel anytime,” the process for doing so has basically been designed around making it so incredibly hard that users simply give in and cough up the $10 every week instead.”

Here’s how you cancel:
First, open the settings app and tap on your name.
Then, tap on the "Subscriptions" tab.
(Note that you might not automatically see this tab. In that case, tap on iTunes & Appstore)
Next, tap on your Apple ID. View Apple ID then sign in and scroll down to the "Subscriptions" button.
Next, tap on AmpMe (subscription) you want to review.
Now, Tap on Cancel.
There’s no easier way to cancel a subscription on iOS. So, in the end, this wasn’t even a scam, it was folks choosing to download an app with a subscription and not taking the tediously easy steps to end the subscription. Nothing like the deeply embedded apps on Android and Windows that provides malicious actors access to all the data on your system.

Of course, it’s because of the the lack of the latter on iOS that some folks are determined to ensure some good high quality malware gets ported to iOS. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK FOLKS!

 

[Beautyspin]

No, right now there’s zero chances of getting scammed on an iPhone outside the App Store. I mean, it’s fine, someone has to speak for the malware providers, right. Without people like you making a principled stand for those that really want to scam iOS users, iPhone folks may have to just make do with only 45,000 potential malware apps!

If you find any stories related to this, all of them say something like “While the marketing material says users can “cancel anytime,” the process for doing so has basically been designed around making it so incredibly hard that users simply give in and cough up the $10 every week instead.”

Here’s how you cancel:
First, open the settings app and tap on your name.
Then, tap on the "Subscriptions" tab.
(Note that you might not automatically see this tab. In that case, tap on iTunes & Appstore)
Next, tap on your Apple ID. View Apple ID then sign in and scroll down to the "Subscriptions" button.
Next, tap on AmpMe (subscription) you want to review.
Now, Tap on Cancel.
There’s no easier way to cancel a subscription on iOS. So, in the end, this wasn’t even a scam, it was folks choosing to download an app with a subscription and not taking the tediously easy steps to end the subscription. Nothing like the deeply embedded apps on Android and Windows that provides malicious actors access to all the data on your system.

Of course, it’s because of the the lack of the latter on iOS that some folks are determined to ensure some good high quality malware gets ported to iOS. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK FOLKS!

Feel free to inform all the people that performed the studies that showed that 2% of the top 1000 apps in the Appstore are scam apps. Lol!
How did one scam app developer make 13 million from the Appstore app? It is mind boggling.

 

[Beautyspin]

Exactly. The sideloading would eventually make way for a media-thread "I was scammed by a side loaded app, Apple sux"

I am still not seeing any media-thread, "I was scammed by a scam app promoted by Apple right now."

 

[jav6454]

I am still not seeing any media-thread, "I was scammed by a scam app promoted by Apple right now."

As that is a minority and Apple resolves those. Side loaded apps can't be resolved by Apple.