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Epic Games Setting Up Webshops for iOS Developers to Offer Users Out-of-App Purchases
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Totally different as on iOS you only currently one choice
Where as in the real world you have multiple choices available to choose from
This is an Epic Battle Royale. I did not see this going Epic's way. Curious to see how this plays out longer term.
I am genuinely scratching my head here. I still think apple should get paid when people make money off iOS stuff. I don't like the idea, philosophically, that Apple built and ran this whole thing and now they get a zero cut simply b/c they are dominant. That being said, them lying in court? That's super shady. I feel like there's a huge difference between buying stuff outside the app store that can be used on multiple platforms and stuff that is intentionally only on the iOS store, and you're circumventing it so apple gets 0% of the sale. So a developer who only has a product on iOS should somehow pay apple for the IP they built up.
I wonder if apple could set up a sliding scale or something for developers who don't use their payment portals such that they have to pay different developer fees based on volume of downloads. So if you go viral - apple still gets a cut.
I wonder if apple could set up a sliding scale or something for developers who don't use their payment portals such that they have to pay different developer fees based on volume of downloads. So if you go viral - apple still gets a cut.
Not going to happen as epic have already explained why they are not going to force the games consoles to allow this
”Don’t let Apple take your money, let us take your money instead.”
- Epic
Kindofa dick move.
- Epic
Kindofa dick move.
Just because you say "I'm only going to shop at Walmart" doesn't mean Walmart has a monopoly. No one is forced to use Apple. Android exists and allows you to buy from any store your heart desires.
Exactly. Are the developers benefitting from the APIs, SWIFT, and other frameworks that Apple has created to make development accessible on iOS? As Apple makes the platform a place where developers can innovate and have success, why should Apple be cut out of providing the platform, as well as the tools.
It's sort of humorous how the cadre that's always blaming the EU for stuff they don't like, as it pertains to Apple, hasn't seemed to make much note of this judgement against Apple being in the United States.
Apple are running out of Countries to "pull out of".
Apple are running out of Countries to "pull out of".
You fail to understand the apps are built with Apple’s thousands of APIs (building blocks) and their IDE (workshop) – both represent intellectual property they spent tens of billions on building over the course of about a decade. I am not aware of Target so generously paying for the ingredients/components of products sold at Target and elsewhere and not being able to ask for a cut, lol.
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How did it take the judge 1-2 years to realize this was happening? Pretty sure Apple proposed this solution and she signed off on it, or maybe I am thinking of the EU. Sounds like someone was bribed.
macOS Apps are also built with first party tooling.
Those Apps are a big reason why people buy Macs.
Mac Apps can be sourced from anywhere.
Make iOS Apps function more like macOS ones already do.
Problem solved.
I think a better analogy for Apple’s iOS is an amusement park rather than a store like Walmart or Target. Apple has created a controlled environment where users can play, relax, eat, and enjoy various experiences—all within the boundaries they’ve designed. In this amusement park, third-party vendors like Chick-fil-A can rent space to operate, but everything is managed under Apple’s terms. Just like visitors can’t bring outside food into a theme park, iOS users can’t freely install apps or content from outside sources. If you want something to eat or drink, you have to buy it inside the park. There are specific rules for everyone to follow, and if you want to use the arcade, you can’t use your own coins—you have to use the park’s special tokens.
I can only speak for myself, but as one who often blames the EU for the DMA, I actually agree with most of the judge's ruling - I've always been against Apple's anti-steering requirements. Had the judge declared "Apple must provide access to any iOS feature to any third party, for free" like the DMA does then you can bet I'd be a lot more vocal about the ruling.
I'd also say arguing for Apple's interpretation of compliance is a lot different once a judge has already ruled. Currently Apple is arguing they are following the law in the EU, the EU is saying "no you're not" and the courts are going to decide. If the EU courts declare everything the EU Commission has said about Apple's compliance is legal and justified, you're not going to see me defending Apple for bucking the EU, no matter how much I disagree with the DMA. Companies have to follow the law.
As it should be. A business should succeed by making a quality product or providing a quality service. Apple's policies highlight their fear - that someone else might dare to make a better store than they did.
If Apple didn’t make those and nobody developed for the iPhone, it would never have become the juggernaut that it did. Apple sold more hardware because of the app developers.
But developers already pay a fee to use these tools or what are the 99$ for?
Let’s remember that on the web we have open competition & it’ll be great to see that on iOS. You know, like on the Mac.
Apple now has the opportunity to make using IAP the way that devs want to use instead of having to use and for consumers to want to choose IAP in turn.
Remember that apple are already making a reliable estimated profit of 30-40% on each hardware sale.
So this is not like the console model where the hardware is sold at a loss with each e-store making up for the hardware sale loss.
And as smartphones are now so important in our society, it’s a drag on growth and innovation if the platform owner insists on still insisting that they should have a generous cut from any economic activity that goes on on their platform.
(Just in case I get someone replying to me saying that Apple are justified in doing whatever they like etc etc ).
Apple now has the opportunity to make using IAP the way that devs want to use instead of having to use and for consumers to want to choose IAP in turn.
Remember that apple are already making a reliable estimated profit of 30-40% on each hardware sale.
So this is not like the console model where the hardware is sold at a loss with each e-store making up for the hardware sale loss.
And as smartphones are now so important in our society, it’s a drag on growth and innovation if the platform owner insists on still insisting that they should have a generous cut from any economic activity that goes on on their platform.
(Just in case I get someone replying to me saying that Apple are justified in doing whatever they like etc etc ).
android only exists when it suits Apple’s agenda to win an argument
If a company wants to offer an alternative payment option then why does it fundamentally matter as it will make no difference to anyone apart from Apple’s bottom line
Yes. It will be cheaper (for now).
But it’s not the point. The point is Epic is basically doing what they said Apple was doing. Not 1 for 1 but close.
It’s kinda hypocritical.
Or even 1! What else do you need in ketchup other than ketchup?! What are they hiding?!
I think those 56 other ingredients might be related to [insert evil things here]…
Never stop questioning!!!
(Ok… back to work…)
What did they say about it? Because that door is open now and their greed will absolutely lead them there. I don’t trust them even if they did promise not to go after them
We can say what we want for or against Apple’s behavior but Epic is just as guilty of trying to squeeze more money out of people
And sure they’ll start at 12% for their own storefront but in two years it’ll probably be 25%