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So how many alternate app stores are there at this point? Does anyone use them? We don’t hear much about this.

This has a VERY 'good' reason. Because those numbers do actually exist but it's far less than 1% of all users who use third party App Stores in the EU. They (the EU) don't want you to know them, this is why you don't read about it in the news.
 
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Like this. Apple should charge every EU customer a FEE for any and all updates. Say $500 a year. Seems fair to me.

I agree here. Before smartphones (Windows XP era) it was very much common you paid for OS upgrades when they released. OSes were also less bloated and didn't come with builtin ads.

Honestly I feel like we should go back to that system. But ofc. less extreme than what you say here. For example every major OS release should be around €50. And that OS should not have any built in advertisments.
They could then even make multiple versions. Like a "free" tier that does come with ads.

Edit: This should then also be required that the purchase price of the device ONLY includes the purchase price of the base OS that it comes with. Which means that the prices should be lowered. For example if an OS upgrade costs €50 and the device is going to recieve 4 OS upgrades (iPhones usually do) then the price should be €200 less than now.
 
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This smells like desperation on Epic's part.

They finally got their own App Store on iOS, but seemingly no one knows or cares about it, so they are trying to lure developers in with money (that's what companies generally resort to when they have no other ideas).

Good luck with that, hope it's worth all the money, effort, and reputational damage
 
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It's simple. Make third party app stores free. Remove access to any iPhone APIs that apple developed beyond the obvious stuff. Silo the 3rd party appstore and apps.

Are the EU going after xBox, Playstation, Car manufacturers and other proprietary tech? What's the point of developing something to make some money if the EU demand it's open for all to take advantage of?

It's like apple opened a mall and Epic have come along and said right I want a market stall in the entrance and no I am not paying any electric, water, heating bills... I just want access to all your goodwill and the chance to take your customers away from you and not pay you a penny.
 
It's simple. Make third party app stores free. Remove access to any iPhone APIs that apple developed beyond the obvious stuff. Silo the 3rd party appstore and apps.

Are the EU going after xBox, Playstation, Car manufacturers and other proprietary tech? What's the point of developing something to make some money if the EU demand it's open for all to take advantage of?

It's like apple opened a mall and Epic have come along and said right I want a market stall in the entrance and no I am not paying any electric, water, heating bills... I just want access to all your goodwill and the chance to take your customers away from you and not pay you a penny.
Your analogy fails cause apple isn't hosting the apps nor providing credit card payment processing.
 
And you are a human being, so you should care about not being screwed by said business.

Once you switch from «ok, I'll pay $400 to repair one keyboard button on a laptop with a $500 market value» to «you f***g Apple Geniuses can't even repair a button?? Fine, I'll go to third parties who can do it for $30 and support a small business instead of useless capitalists», you contribute to building a better society, and you'll reap the benefits of these improvements yourself, too.

So exactly like a Car main dealer vs a local Garage? They are in the business of SELLING you a car and if you want it maintained as per the manufacturer then you pay a premium, but you are free to go billy bob's quickie fix down the road. He may or may not have a quality part and do a proper job.

Apple made it hard to do for a long time but now actively encourage it and sell parts and tooling to repair devices with a huge amount of repair documentation.
 
Sweeney is a soulless sellout. Half of Epic was sold by him to China, he whines like a bxtch that Apple is an evil monopoly and convinced the EU fools (along with massive bribes) that ‘developers’ need their own store. He quickly (hmm) creates one, he gives away many benefits for free. Developers jump on board. He will then raise prices over time after he has got them to sign up. China, who invents nothing, now will make more than Apple… the inventor of the smartphone and the entire Apple ecosystem. Sweeney sells off his entire stake for a few billion. His legacy will be one of the biggest traitors of all time as China found this leach to get them to do their dirty work.
 
However, EU people NOT wanting such benefits are not blocked from buying apps in the Apple App Store. Anyone in the EU happy with the Apple App Store can proceed as if this law does not even exist at all.

One last time: DO YOU LIVE IN THE EU?
If not, this EU law has no effect on your iOS app buying "choices" whatsoever. I live in Florida. This EU law has no effect on my iOS app buying "choices" whatsoever.
Again, we’ve already established iOS is already worse for everyone because a segment of Apple engineers have had to spend an inordinate amount of time and Apple has had to spend millions of dollars to comply with a law that says “you must give access your IP to all who ask for it for free”.

Just because you say “oh Apple has enough money it’s fine” doesn’t mean those engineers working on this shouldn’t have been working on something else.
 
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Again, we’ve already established iOS is already worse for everyone because a segment of Apple engineers have had to spend an inordinate amount of time and Apple has had to spend millions of dollars to comply with a law that says “you must give access your IP to all who ask for it for free”.
Everything about that is wrong and a misrepresentation of facts.

There are certain accessibility and interoperability requirements - but they don’t mean Apple’s IP is „given away“. Apple can develop proprietary software and technology - and they‘re allowed to monetise it and keep it limited to iPhones, thereby differentiating their product.

And the signing infrastructure for apps (to enable installation of third-party apps) has been there for a long time - as have appropriate developer certificates.

Buying an iPhone is like buying a house in a Homeowners’ Association. You know you’re giving up some freedom to have a “nicer” experience when you buy it. For some people that’s an absolute non-starter because the freedom to do what they want with their house is important to them
If a single or two homeowners‘ associations control 98% or so of three market and limit freedom, government should and will step in and regulate them - and their terms and conditions.

No one would be saying: „Oh, it’ their property, so it‘s totally their right to do anything and impose any rules they want“, when a duopoly of such associations controls 95% or more of the market.

Neither is anyone going to say: „Oh, but this association only controls 25% of properties, so they should be exempt from regulation.“ when it’s a monopoly or duopoly (and the association in question controls 50% or so of aggregated sales volume).
 
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I’m Everything about that is wrong and a misrepresentation of facts.
Nope. Here’s a quote from the DMA

The gatekeeper shall allow providers of services and providers of hardware, free of charge, effective interoperability with, and access for the purposes of interoperability to, the same hardware and software features accessed or controlled via the operating system.

There are certain accessibility and interoperability requirements - but they don’t mean Apple’s IP is „given away“. Apple can develop proprietary software and technology - and they‘re allowed to monetise it and keep it limited to iPhones, thereby differentiating their product.
No they’re not.


And the signing infrastructure for apps (to enable installation of third-party apps) has been there for a long time - as have appropriate developer certificates.
There's a difference between enterprise apps signed and used on corporately managed devices and developing an infrastructure to allow third party app stores from anyone and everyone.

If a single or two homeowners‘ associations control 98% or so of three market and limit freedom, government will and should step in and regulate them - and their terms and conditions.
Not quite. There is one HOA that covers 25% of houses in a town, and the other 75% of the houses aren’t subject to the HOA at all.
 
Sideloading must become easy as on Android. Currently people are blocked by walled garden in countries where Apple bows to dictators. Easy to defend walled garden by people who are gotten used to it, but once you get hit yourself then you talk another story. EPIC does right thing to limit power of Apple walled garden.
 
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Here’s a quote from the DMA

The gatekeeper shall allow providers of services and providers of hardware, free of charge, effective interoperability with, and access for the purposes of interoperability to, the same hardware and software features accessed or controlled via the operating system.
Ah, we‘re not talking installation of apps - we‘re now talking functionality.

…“in order to allow these applications and services to send files to, and receive files from, an iOS device“.

To and from an iOS device.
Not between Android devices.

And an open-source implementation already exists.

There's a difference between enterprise apps signed and used on corporately managed devices
Enterprise apps do not require corporately managed devices.
Anyone can download an enterprise app, trust its developer and use it.
 
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