Epic Games Submits Fortnite to U.S. App Store

[Stuwil]

Hey "buddy"... seems you know an awful lot about certain types of content (hint hint)... and are happy to throw around insinuations

You seriously cant have been in IT long it you have never had malware or a virus.
Honestly. Within 30 seconds of you booting a new computer and connecting online there are devices seeking you out to exploit weaknesses. Software you buy or OS programs have weaknesses. Look at the regular maintenance updates that flow out for Zero Day exploits.

And all this happens no matter how careful you are.

And to admit you dont use any anti virus protection? Not even free?
More likely you dont KNOW you have dodgy bits of software on your PCs.

It's also a rather bold claim that you Android using family members dont have anything infecting them.
You arent monitoring and they can easily install something sent to them.

They don’t download attachments sent from unscrupulous companies or watch content online that you should pay for.

Why would you need virus protection if you don’t do anything dodgy or visit sites that offer to good to be true offers.

If windows or macOS or android or iOS for example send out patches then fair enough as they are responsible for the maintenance of the OS

It is just scaremongering to suggest that having an android device means your likely to get a virus or malware as members of my family use them & they have had no issues at all.

 

[surferfb]

They don’t download attachments sent from unscrupulous companies or watch content online that you should pay for.

Why would you need virus protection if you don’t do anything dodgy or visit sites that offer to good to be true offers.

I’m sure things have changed some in the years it’s been since I did this, but as someone who did front line tech support on a college campus, literally all you had to do was connect an unprotected Windows machine to the local network and there was a good chance your computer would get hosed within 5 minutes.

When we fixed them, the SOP was to install the antivirus software and apply the update to the virus definitions via USB before connecting to Ethernet or WiFi because even connecting the device to the internet to download updated virus definitions was often enough time for the computer to get infected again.

If windows or macOS or android or iOS for example send out patches then fair enough as they are responsible for the maintenance of the OS

It is just scaremongering to suggest that having an android device means your likely to get a virus or malware as members of my family use them & they have had no issues at all.

You’re 80% more likely to have malware on your Android device if you are sideloading. Why bring that risk to iOS if those who need to sideload already have an option?

 

[Stuwil]

I’m sure things have changed some in the years it’s been since I did this, but as someone who did front line tech support on a college campus, literally all you had to do was connect an unprotected Windows machine to the local network and there was a good chance your computer would get hosed within 5 minutes.

When we fixed them, the SOP was to install the antivirus software and apply the update to the virus definitions via USB before connecting to Ethernet or WiFi because even connecting the device to the internet to download updated virus definitions was often enough time for the computer to get infected again.

You’re 80% more likely to have malware on your Android device if you are sideloading. Why bring that risk to iOS if those who need to sideload already have an option?

We don’t sideload apps on android

 

[Sophisticatednut]

Because my computer usage has adapted over many many years using various different devices and I’ve never had a problem and neither has individuals I know who own android devices.

Because it is scaremongering to suggest just because you use android or windows
Then you will more than likely encounter a virus or malware

Well having a problem? Having malicious code that provides adds or tracks personal information about you is what I would consider a harm.


But I don’t think it’s controversial to argue some platforms by size or architecture is more or less safe. You likely have the same likelihood of encountering malware while not the same likelihood to be affected.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

You’re 80% more likely to have malware on your Android device if you are sideloading. Why bring that risk to iOS if those who need to sideload already have an option?

Then you and everyone else would have the same chance of you don’t sideload?

Plus the fact sideloading have been available on iOS for longer than DMA have been available 🤷‍♂️

 

[Stuwil]

Well having a problem? Having malicious code that provides adds or tracks personal information about you is what I would consider a harm.


But I don’t think it’s controversial to argue some platforms by size or architecture is more or less safe. You likely have the same likelihood of encountering malware while not the same likelihood to be affected.

I’m not disputing that individuals don’t get virus or malware I’ve just never encountered it and neither has individuals who I interact with and they have android devices

Because it’s simply not true that because you own an android device that your likely to get virus or malware just because it’s open platform nobody forces you to sideload onto it

 

[surferfb]

Then you and everyone else would have the same chance of you don’t sideload?

Plus the fact sideloading have been available on iOS for longer than DMA have been available 🤷‍♂️

I just don’t see why forcing an unsafe change on a company’s users, against that company’s desires, is in the public interest, particularly when the company’s larger competitor offers the feature for those who desire it.

 

[wbeasley]

They don’t download attachments sent from unscrupulous companies or watch content online that you should pay for.

Why would you need virus protection if you don’t do anything dodgy or visit sites that offer to good to be true offers.

If windows or macOS or android or iOS for example send out patches then fair enough as they are responsible for the maintenance of the OS

It is just scaremongering to suggest that having an android device means your likely to get a virus or malware as members of my family use them & they have had no issues at all.

it's already been said to you, and obviously ignored by you, that even legit wedbsites have been hacked or released apps with dodgy spyware or malicious code. FROM REPUTABLE COMPANIES...

And then there was the CloudStrike issue...

Funny how legit software issues get passed over when convenient

 

[Stuwil]

it's already been said to you, and obviously ignored by you, that even legit wedbsites have been hacked or released apps with dodgy spyware or malicious code. FROM REPUTABLE COMPANIES...

And then there was the CloudStrike issue...

Funny how legit software issues get passed over when convenient

OMG
Example my old man has an android device he goes online and doesn’t order things online and doesn’t download apps now he won’t get anything like a virus or malware

Again android for example send out monthly security patches to patch issues.

It is possible to own a non iPhone and not get virus or malware if you are careful in your approach

 

[Stuwil]

I just don’t see why forcing an unsafe change on a company’s users, against that company’s desires, is in the public interest, particularly when the company’s larger competitor offers the feature for those who desire it.

Because as I keep you only have essentially two choices in the west so that is why it’s easier to legislate changes into iOS

Yes but you are looking at from a certain point of view like I buy apple products and I have a choice with android however that is not how regulators are looking at it

Now for example you may think that apple selling headphones with additional software that lets them connect to the OS better is fine
Well it’s not because it’s giving them a deliberate advantage over the competition

That is how iOS is getting looked at every business decision is getting scrutinized more now this will keep happening

 

[wbeasley]

OMG
Example my old man has an android device he goes online and doesn’t order things online and doesn’t download apps now he won’t get anything like a virus or malware

Again android for example send out monthly security patches to patch issues.

It is possible to own a non iPhone and not get virus or malware if you are careful in your approach

your "old man" isnt every single Android user.
so stop pretending that Android isnt more vulnerable to malware because of user behaviour for many people.

it is possible to not get issues but it is more likely than iOS devices

and i dont want that to change ... thanks for playing

 

[Stuwil]

your "old man" isnt every single Android user.
so stop pretending that Android isnt more vulnerable to malware because of user behaviour for many people.

it is possible to not get issues but it is more likely than iOS devices

and i dont want that to change ... thanks for playing

It’s only possible if you don’t take the appropriate precautions it’s not
The people I know that use android don’t think it’s an insecure operating system because why would they as they don’t have problems with it.

Again if payment links or 3rd party App Stores
Or sideloading is regulated on iOS in
Your region then you are not required to use any of they things available

 

[wbeasley]

It’s only possible if you don’t take the appropriate precautions it’s not
The people I know that use android don’t think it’s an insecure operating system because why would they as they don’t have problems with it.

Again if payment links or 3rd party App Stores
Or sideloading is regulated on iOS in
Your region then you are not required to use any of they things available

the same old argument... changing iOS to allow this means ALL iOS devices are more vulnerable even if you dont use these facilities.

you know that. Apple have said it before when EU demanded changes.

if you knew anything about coding you would know the more door ways to external things the more opportunity for exploits. it's simple as that.

end. of. story.

 

[Stuwil]

the same old argument... changing iOS to allow this means ALL iOS devices are more vulnerable even if you dont use these facilities.

you know that. Apple have said it before when EU demanded changes.

if you knew anything about coding you would know the more door ways to external things the more opportunity for exploits. it's simple as that.

end. of. story.

If this is the case then why as I have said
That the individuals I know who own android devices don’t gets viruses or malware
And they just update their apps as normal and update monthly with the security patches
That get made available and they don’t have issues.

Yeah apple’s says we can’t put payment links in iOS App Store because it will affect the integrity of the product 🤣🤣🤣

 

[wbeasley]

If this is the case then why as I have said
That the individuals I know who own android devices don’t gets viruses or malware
And they just update their apps as normal and update monthly with the security patches
That get made available and they don’t have issues.

Yeah apple’s says we can’t put payment links in iOS App Store because it will affect the integrity of the product 🤣🤣🤣

look no matter how many times you reply with anecdotal answers, the fact remains Android being more open poses a much higher risk of malware than iOS devices.

plenty of other people have given you numbers and examples.
i cant help if you ignore the facts.

Apple not getting paid is NOT the same as making the system more open exposes the device to increased malware attacks. sure they would like their cut BUT so many apps are free to download and Apple gets NOTHING.

Epic could easily be free to download and Apple would get nothing so long as users signed up outside and bought their tokens there. it's not even hard. many of the big apps do this.

Epic just want lazy people to do it from within the app and dont want to pay Apple anything.

that's it in a nutshell.

so please stop making this about Apple crying over lost revenue.

 

[Stuwil]

look no matter how many times you reply with anecdotal answers, the fact remains Android being more open poses a much higher risk of malware than iOS devices.

plenty of other people have given you numbers and examples.
i cant help if you ignore the facts.

Apple not getting paid is NOT the same as making the system more open exposes the device to increased malware attacks. sure they would like their cut BUT so many apps are free to download and Apple gets NOTHING.

Epic could easily be free to download and Apple would get nothing so long as users signed up outside and bought their tokens there. it's not even hard. many of the big apps do this.

Epic just want lazy people to do it from within the app and dont want to pay Apple anything.

that's it in a nutshell.

so please stop making this about Apple crying over lost revenue.

Well that’s not true because epic have said
12% is adequate enough just like on there App Store so not free.
As you claim.

Now if we compare my sisters experience on
Her samdung vs mime on an iPhone
It’s the exact same experience security wise
Because she doesn’t do anything dodgy
& is careful.

Individuals that use the language we are under attack from epic or why don’t the EU stop meddling with my apple
Is not really a balanced opinion is it.

 

[djphat2000]

Nobody is buying the Vision Pro because you look like a goon wearing one that’s why

I wouldn't say no one. And they are still developing OS/Apps for it. So it's not going away just yet. Looks have nothing to do with it. Have you seen people wearing the Oculus?

People will buy iPhones regardless because they have a user base that use’s language like we are under attack by epic or whoever so that means that every year they can just put little changes into the iPhone

Right, so people just blindly do whatever Apple wants them to do. They didn't build anything innovative or any good. That's why EPIC wants to force their way onto the platform because it's not that good.....

Whereas other companies don’t have the luxury of doing that this is why its different

You have to earn that luxury. It's not handed to anyone.

 

[urbanman2004]

Apple having an all out tantrum over allowing Fortnite onto the app store, who would've thunk?...

 

[smulji]

Or do you think he was bored having the most advanced Industrial Design team in the world?

Or he was bored working on nothing but iterative products

 

[Sophisticatednut]

I just don’t see why forcing an unsafe change on a company’s users, against that company’s desires, is in the public interest, particularly when the company’s larger competitor offers the feature for those who desire it.

Well I presume the issue here is I and others fail to understand the concept of ”companies users”. The company have customers, they aren’t owned or a property of a company just because the purchased goods with their logo on it.

It’s in the market’s interest, if the users want the same thing then they will stay as it is.
Especially when the AppStore have zero competition.

iPhone has competition, but the playstore is as big of a competition to the iOS AppStore as GameStop is competing with the iOS AppStore.

 

[TheDauterive]

The system wasn’t found to be illegal. In fact, the courts ruled that the system was legal! Epic was in the wrong, Apple was within its rights to ban them, Apple wasn’t a monopoly, didn’t have to allow alternate app stores, and Epic owed Apple 30% of the revenue Epic got for cheating.

The judge interpreted California law to say one rule in that system wasn’t allowed. California courts disagree with her on that. But even if she’s right about her interpretation, the system wasn’t illegal.

Nothing in the lower court order said “let Epic back in the App Store.” It said the opposite, actually. And given Apple’s request for an injunction of the most recent order states that one of the reasons it should be granted is that “Epic isn’t on the App Store, and so won’t be harmed by the appeals court granting a stay”, I seriously doubt Apple will let them back in until that is resolved, at the very least.

Fortnite Returns to U.S. App Store

Popular game Fortnite is once again available in the U.S. App Store, as Apple has finally approved Epic Games' app submission. This is the first...

www.macrumors.com

 

[Chazz12]

no offense but yeah, you should probably give up submitting that to apple, at least for the time being...

if it were mine store id have it and placed in an 18+ or 21+ section only, if anything....they possibly feel its too edgy, too off the beaten path etc. that's my guess, at least. all best of luck bro peace

No offense, really, but that's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Not to mention Apple literally has apps that allow porn. So yeah, that's an excuse that Apple would use but totally bogus. Not to mention they let you tell them the age range, which I already set to 18+. Apple is just a b*tch. That's it. lol. But yeah, I'm not going through Apple at all anymore. Already decided after how they have treated me and then the stuff they've done this month. Also, hate gaming companies because they have started releasing half-finished games and it seems that's what Apple is doing now too.

Sorry, just vented a little bit to you. hahaha. Thanks for the encouragement and support! I agree, I'm not submitting to Apple anymore.

 

[wbeasley]

Well that’s not true because epic have said
12% is adequate enough just like on there App Store so not free.
As you claim.

Now if we compare my sisters experience on
Her samdung vs mime on an iPhone
It’s the exact same experience security wise
Because she doesn’t do anything dodgy
& is careful.

Individuals that use the language we are under attack from epic or why don’t the EU stop meddling with my apple
Is not really a balanced opinion is it.

if you believe Epic think 12% is enough.... LOL

 

[Muceda]

Apple doesnt control or set the prices

why it can’t do it?