Stop with this bs, you’re typing this as if that’s fact 🙄🙄🙄
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Epic Wins Appeal to Continue Antitrust Case Against Apple in Australia
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Yes the Epic store is just like any DRM store so they don’t have an argument. It looks like they are just part of a lobby including Facebook etc who want to break the stores on iOS and Android so they can do whatever they want on your phone without Apple and Google trying to protect users from massive attack of spywares, adwares, tracking, ****coins and social media apps full of terrible things. Imagine you live in Belarus or Afghanistan and that security broken. Some dictator or terrorists demand you install their App Store and download their apps. User screwed for life. Dictators in power for much longer.
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It wouldn’t be a bad idea to read what he said, I think there are some valid points.
What if that “toggle for side loading” is switched by a seemingly legit PayPal email check or “login to Zoom here to check the updates”? Even some of the bounty hunts bug rewards are about getting zero click device access and the like.
Remember, some actors can manage to hack and leak whatever they can find on your device… now they can find this magic toggle without your knowing, switch it for you and install things on your system.
“people don’t know, people are dumb, etc” is the go to answer for that as if people wake up in the morning setting as their goal for the day to catch as many viruses, malware and deviant code.
I don’t know, I get it that it’s a solution for both worlds but I wouldn’t think for a second that it’s that easy and flawlessly straight forward.
People advocating this need to look at what Epic is doing to Steam on the PC. Epic is getting exclusive games on THEIR store and not Steam. Rumors that Final Fantasy 7 Remake is going to be an Epic Games Store exclusive. Epic will certainly do this on iOS and cause many people to be forced to enable slide loading to get said app. So no it won’t really be a choice.
In other words, users are likely to have to give up their privacy protections for applications from many companies, and since they will not have to disclose trackers, it will even be hard to know that.
No they will not. Some will only support their own site with the requirement that I need to create yet another account on yet another site that almost certainly will not support Sign In with Apple, for which I will be required to share a great deal of personal information. Some may support that and one or more other stores that do not enforce privacy protections. Most will only support one store.
Please explain how this benefits me as a user? You pay the same price purchasing on either store, but one version includes family sharing and the other does not. They save some money, but as has been pointed out before, they do not pass those savings on to me and actually provide me less than what I get with the Mac App Store.
Application developers have been able to offer demo versions on Apple’s stores for quite some time.
The flip side is there are those who want to force Apple to run its’ business their way.
You know what, I will give you that, because after your reply, I did some looking into them and admit to stand corrected...I am not a gamer, never will be, so I only knew of them as fortnite, which Sweeney stetted at the trial that he like Apple and the app store because of the Swift programming app and that it made things very easy. My only previously gaming experience was Bungie's "Marathon" and the original "Duke Nukem". I do know and was aware that Epic's "Unreal Engine 5" is being used outside of gaming for "virtual sets" in broadcast TV. It is being used very heavily on Weather Channel supplied to them via a company called "Zero Density" so I bet that there is a a lot of licensing money there too. Generally I find that there are 3 "no win" topics on any of the Apple/Mac forums.....Apple/Epic, Right to repair and App store/sideloading. They are simply hot topics that will never have any happy conclusion for all. The Apple/Epic is a major thing for gamers which also falls into the App store side loading thing which is the gamers, hacker (not in the bad term, meaning the people that always want to push the limits on what they can get out of the device) I will postulate that in the grand scheme looking at the total user base of Apple products they are small. I think the vast majority of iPhone users are completely indifferent and just want to use the device and have it work. As far as the "right to repair" I will never say that it's crazy or wrong, but it's just such a huge thing that has the potential to upend everything, between licensing, IP, liability, profitability, jobs, etc
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I would absolutely love for Apple to have more open source applications that DONT force us to use their terribly designed store. Pretty please! Honestly just re-do the whole download interface, Apple.
Edit: subi, is there a reason for the downvote? What exactly are you partial to in the App Store that couldn’t be done 5x better?
Edit: subi, is there a reason for the downvote? What exactly are you partial to in the App Store that couldn’t be done 5x better?
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nah, this is completely nonsense.
giving OPTIONS won't remove options from your average user. the best way of still hitting the largest user base is through the official app stores (both Google and Apple).
While you might find a few developers who want to go down the route of sideloading for "production ready" apps. it's not likely. We already have a large enough sample of users who have the option of sideloading with Android to know that the largest bulk of users never enable the feature. (we're talking about less than 1% of users)
enabling sideloading will not impact users who don't sideload.
NOW, if you're worried that Apple's policies are so strict that once given the option all the developers bail and either go sideload oro stop supporting the app store. than that should be a red flag that the App Store policies and restrictions aren't in developers best interests and hurt their businesses. And that should raise the question on Apple's behaviour. (however as I said, we aren't going to see this happen, developers aren't going to risk the revenue cuts)
Epic isn't wrong in their claims IMHO
they're just hypocritical asses who probably shouldn't be the poster boy here for the Anti-Apple league. Epic has their own very long history of doing exclusives, lock downs, licensing terms etc.
Epic would be treating their epic online store exactly like the App store if they could somehow convince an OS maker to make it the exclusive if they too could get away with it.
Apple's is more interested in the end user's best interests, over those of the developers. The developers don't like some of these policies, just as, say, car companies don't like being forced to include safety features that cost money but save lives.
There are corporations that would like to dump toxic waste into the nearby river, because it's easier and cheaper for them, but the agencies that oversee them prevent them from doing that because, while cheaper for the company, it's harmful to the health of the public. Similarly, there are developers that would love to include unadvertised trackers and other creepy stuff in their apps (because other companies will pay them money for doing so), but Apple prevents them from doing this, because it's harmful to the safety of their customers, the end users. And I'm totally on board with Apple doing this, just as I'm totally in favor of the EPA keeping companies from dumping toxic waste in rivers.
Your assertion, "enabling sideloading will not impact users who don't sideload", is an opinion, not a fact.
If you don't think that there are at least some companies that will jump ship and make their apps only available from a third-party source, so they can get all that freedom to do generally bad things (plus pocketing some of the money they would have given to Apple), I think you're in for a surprise.
Forcing a Apple to operate like Android absolutely removes options. There are inherent tradeoffs between the two styles. iOS users will lose some of the benefits of the current model as a result. Two options with different strong and weak points will become one option. This is very simple and straightforward.
For example, there are basically two transmission types in modern automobiles, manual or automatic. Each offers different experiences with different strengths and weaknesses. If you were to force automakers to only offer on style, say manual, users now have less choice.
Even a user only uses the Apple AppStore on this new forced open iOS will have a different device compared to the previous model. Those are simple facts, dictated by reality and logic. You may think it’s worth it. You may think it’s better. But it’s taking away what people now are freely choosing in favor of YOUR demands. So at least be honest that this is about getting your way, not about giving people choice.
No, it is true because it’s factually and logically true. Ignoring it because you don’t like it doesn’t make it any less true.
Imagine two places, a city with 200 restaurants and a small town with 20. If you force me to leave the small town, where I want to be, and move to the city, where I don’t, it doesn’t matter that there are more restaurants, you aren’t giving me more choices, because I didn’t care about those things to begin with, you are taking away my choice of where to live, thus leaving me with LESS choices. You’ve forced your priorities on me and made my experience worse as a result. That alone is wrong. But what’s worse is the whole time YOU have been free to move to the city of that’s what you want. But instead of simply exercising your ability to choose and leaving me alone, you insist on taking away my choice, the one I actually care about.
Go get an Android phone, literally no one is stopping you. Leave those of us who are quite happy with the iOS approach alone.
I am actually interested in knowing say if Epic Wins, would that mean all Closed hardware makers have to open up? Would that allow us to sideload on XBOX, Nintendo Switch , PlayStation , PSvita, PSP etc ...? Is that what Epic is thinking to be able to sideload Epic store on every device? Does that mean we could potentially Install Steam on Paystation or Xbox or install Linux on Playstation?