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Probably planned by Apple all along. They will have known the CTF wouldn't fly, but it will take several years of legal wrangling to sort out, during which time they will rake in the cash. The longer they prolong the inevitable, the more money they will make.

At the end of the day I imagine the vast majority of customers will still just use the App Store by default. What would be interesting is if the App store launches on Android and the Play store launches on iOS...
 
Only those within the reality distortion field are surprised.

The reason Apple campus is so big is because it’s a reality distortion facility.

You are too emotional and invested.
Courts are great at separating fact from emotion. They judge by letter of the law not the spirit of it.

If you want to redirect this emotion to the EU who drafted such a poor law and gave Apple the wiggleroom they needed.

The world’s best lawyers are in Apple’s HQ and they know what they are doing.
 
Probably planned by Apple all along. They will have known the CTF wouldn't fly, but it will take several years of legal wrangling to sort out, during which time they will rake in the cash. The longer they prolong the inevitable, the more money they will make.
Exactly! And you probably intended to say it directly anyway, but they’ll continue to rake in the cash through their already established channels, i.e. the App Store, because the existence of the CTF is a deterrent to many if not most developers.

This is all a result of a failure to self-regulate. See Microsoft’s case, they just budge, and didn’t have a huge issue with the demands of the DMA anyway.

Having said that, as a user, I wish the DMA didn’t exist. It solves nothing for actual citizens of the EU. I consciously picked iOS as my platform of choice, because I like Apple defaults and the way they manage to give me a good user experiences that extends to third party apps. The correct answer would’ve been to develop a mobile application platform in the EU with funds and everything. Let’s see how a fair and open market accepts it. Probably not at all.

Users don’t care.
 
Courts are great at separating fact from emotion. They judge by letter of the law not the spirit of it.

If you want to redirect this emotion to the EU who drafted such a poor law and gave Apple the wiggleroom they needed.

The world’s best lawyers are in Apple’s HQ and they know what they are doing.
I fear the EU is going to bend their decisions and fines around the spirit of the law and not the letter of the law.
 
It sounds like, if someone is selling their products via Amazon, it should be possible for the vendor to display on Amazon site that their products are available in other platforms for lower price.
I do live in EU and there are plenty of other things EU should take care of than spending time and tax payers money on Apple Store.
 
You are too emotional and invested.
Courts are great at separating fact from emotion. They judge by letter of the law not the spirit of it.

If you want to redirect this emotion to the EU who drafted such a poor law and gave Apple the wiggleroom they needed.

The world’s best lawyers are in Apple’s HQ and they know what they are doing.
Considering some of the missteps they have made in the past.. they might have good lawyers but not the best. Some of the best lawyers in the world don’t always go after the biggest money.
 
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Probably planned by Apple all along. They will have known the CTF wouldn't fly, but it will take several years of legal wrangling to sort out, during which time they will rake in the cash. The longer they prolong the inevitable, the more money they will make.

At the end of the day I imagine the vast majority of customers will still just use the App Store by default. What would be interesting is if the App store launches on Android and the Play store launches on iOS...

It's a strategy used by all large corporations. Delay and litigate.
 
No one is surprised the EU will stop at nothing to collect the sweet fee they came up with.
Just like the sweet revenue Apple collected selling products with the butterfly keyboard.

Apple is a company, it just wants to make money. The EU is not a company. It is there to represent the people of the EU who voted in its members, and its members act in the interests of those people who in tern can be customers of Apple.

The EU does not pick fights with companies for collecting a fee. No government or similar does that.
 
The courts will look at the fine and decide if it is lawful. Just because the EU quangos think it should be paid doesn’t mean a court looking at facts not emotion, letter of the law not spirit of the law, will agree.

The EU lawyers couldn't even draft a watertight law, they won’t be competent enough to go up against the best of the best at Apple.

In Cook We Trust
Just like Apple couldn’t come up with a decent keyboard mechanism 10 years ago. They may have money but that doesn’t mean they have the best people. They even tried to revise it theee times before realizing the mechanism used prior was better all along.
 
Everyone with a few braincells outside US with knowledge of the Alphabet would have been able to tell that Apple will not get away with charging a Core Technology Fee. Guess we will know by March 2025 at the latest.
Yea, yet many people here are defending Apple. Must be that typical US mentality "lAnD oF tHe FrEe".

No one is surprised the EU will stop at nothing to collect the sweet fee they came up with.
Imagine that EU gave Apple the chance to comply with the DMA but they (Apple) refused. There is no "surprised pikachu face"-meme needed to know that they would enforce it in case Apple refused to comply...
 
The EU is certainly overreaching, they need the fines to plug the big black hole left by the UK after Brexit.
Nobody has to get fined. Apple is being given ample opportunity to adjust their conduct and avoid fines.
Courts deal with the letter of the law not the spirit of it.
...whereas the letter of said law explicitly states, that its objectives are to be effectively complied with.
The most straight forward / obvious solution would be to be able to just download an IPA file directly from your browser to the download folder > tap on it > "are you sure you want to install XY*" > "Yes" > App installed. That's it.
And the best part: Apple wouldn't need to change anything at all. That's how it can be done today.
* previous step required to enable "developer mode" in the settings somewhere with a warning what it actually means to install apps from other sources
No developer mode needed. Apple helpfully explains it to the layman: https://support.apple.com/en-us/118254
 
It sounds like, if someone is selling their products via Amazon, it should be possible for the vendor to display on Amazon site that their products are available in other platforms for lower price.
...until you realise that Amazon can't and doesn't prevent your product from working if sold outside of Amazon.
And that there are way more marketplaces and direct sales channels available than for mobile apps.
 
The CTF was never going to hold. It massively puts off smaller devs going it alone.

Apple would be better off making a carrot than a stick.
Apple would be smart to pause all 3rd party app sales to the EU until the threat to their business is eliminated. The concept that they have the right to impose a fine of 10% of their global sales. Here is why Apple may be forced to pull out of the EU over this extreme uncertainty eventually. If not, they will remove many of the features like most new apps and services, maybe just providing updated.

To determine the effect of an EU fine of 10% of global sales on Apple's profits, we need to follow these steps:

1. **Calculate the fine as 10% of global sales.**
2. **Calculate the total profit with a 36% profit margin.**
3. **Determine the new profit after accounting for the fine.**

Let’s break this down with a hypothetical example, assuming Apple’s global sales are \( X \).

1. **Fine Calculation:**
- Fine = 10% of global sales = \( 0.10 \times X \).

2. **Profit Calculation:**
- Profit margin = 36%, so total profit before the fine = \( 0.36 \times X \).

3. **New Profit Calculation:**
- New profit = Total profit before the fine - Fine
- New profit = \( (0.36 \times X) - (0.10 \times X) \)
- New profit = \( 0.36X - 0.10X \)
- New profit = \( 0.26X \).

Thus, the profit after accounting for the fine would be 26% of global sales. The fine would reduce Apple's profit by \( 0.10X \), which corresponds to a reduction in profit from 36% to 26% of global sales. This represents a significant decrease in the profit margin by 10 percentage points or approximately 27.78% of the original profit margin

That means the Fine is more than they make in the EU.
 
Are there any workable alternatives to the original implementation of % per transaction that wouldn’t screw over small developers?
Potentially some kinda of API access model. A fee for every X pulls. If developers want to pull on certain features within the core OS, link into Apple services, like the App Store for sales and updates, iCloud for backups or Apple Pay, etc they pay. If they’re going totally solo then in theory, they’re not using Apple Services, so have no reason to owe Apple. 🍏
 
The lawyers will be winners out of this.

The EU is certainly overreaching, they need the fines to plug the big black hole left by the UK after Brexit.

Good luck Apple. But you won’t need it… poor drafting of a law is an EU problem not an Apple problem.

Courts deal with the letter of the law not the spirit of it. They deal with the facts not the emotion.
Not in the EU.


"The object of all interpretation lies in the true intention of the lawmakers, whether they be framers of a constitution or a treaty, legislators, or drafters of secondary legislation. Its pursuit at The Court of Justice of the European Communities demands of the common lawyer a readiness to set sail from the secure anchorage and protected haven of “plain words” and to explore the wider seas of purpose and context."
 
Where can I vote against all this bullshet. We don’t want it we don’t need it.

Just let us choose our eco system.

If you are so offended from this, why you are not taking part of public feedback system as EU citizen..?

I personally don’t see what is the problem with this particular breach, what apple is doing is quite hostile.
 
The courts will look at the fine and decide if it is lawful. Just because the EU quangos think it should be paid doesn’t mean a court looking at facts not emotion, letter of the law not spirit of the law, will agree.

The EU lawyers couldn't even draft a watertight law, they won’t be competent enough to go up against the best of the best at Apple.

In Cook We Trust
Not in the EU. The EU has multiple languages and hence any law can have different meanings when interpreted in different languages.

"Methods of interpretation of EU law When interpreting EU law, the CJEU pays particular attention to the aim and purpose of EU law (teleological interpretation), rather than focusing exclusively on the wording of the provisions (linguistic interpretation).14 This is explained by numerous factors, in particular the open-ended and policy-oriented rules of the EU Treaties, as well as by EU legal multilingualism.15 Under the latter principle, all EU law is equally authentic in all language versions. Hence, the Court cannot rely on the wording of a single version, as a national court can, in order to give an interpretation of the legal provision under consideration. Therefore, in order to decode the meaning of a legal rule, the Court analyses it especially in the light of its purpose (teleological interpretation) as well as its context (systemic interpretation)."

 
If I was Apple I would be playing these games too. No way I’d let a developer post info on how to get cheaper stuff within the ecosystem I had created and provided. That doesn’t make any business sense to Apple.

That’s like being forced to put pricing information of other cheaper competitors vehicles at a car dealership.
 
Apple would be smart to pause all 3rd party app sales to the EU until the threat to their business is eliminated. The concept that they have the right to impose a fine of 10% of their global sales. Here is why Apple may be forced to pull out of the EU over this extreme uncertainty eventually. If not, they will remove many of the features like most new apps and services, maybe just providing updated.

To determine the effect of an EU fine of 10% of global sales on Apple's profits, we need to follow these steps:

1. **Calculate the fine as 10% of global sales.**
2. **Calculate the total profit with a 36% profit margin.**
3. **Determine the new profit after accounting for the fine.**

Let’s break this down with a hypothetical example, assuming Apple’s global sales are \( X \).

1. **Fine Calculation:**
- Fine = 10% of global sales = \( 0.10 \times X \).

2. **Profit Calculation:**
- Profit margin = 36%, so total profit before the fine = \( 0.36 \times X \).

3. **New Profit Calculation:**
- New profit = Total profit before the fine - Fine
- New profit = \( (0.36 \times X) - (0.10 \times X) \)
- New profit = \( 0.36X - 0.10X \)
- New profit = \( 0.26X \).

Thus, the profit after accounting for the fine would be 26% of global sales. The fine would reduce Apple's profit by \( 0.10X \), which corresponds to a reduction in profit from 36% to 26% of global sales. This represents a significant decrease in the profit margin by 10 percentage points or approximately 27.78% of the original profit margin

That means the Fine is more than they make in the EU.
Remove myself from a huge supranational market and turn off 500m potential customers forever

Or

Improve my product in the face of competition, spurning innovation in the process and benefit my entire customer base

🤔
 
Probably planned by Apple all along. They will have known the CTF wouldn't fly, but it will take several years of legal wrangling to sort out, during which time they will rake in the cash. The longer they prolong the inevitable, the more money they will make.

At the end of the day I imagine the vast majority of customers will still just use the App Store by default. What would be interesting is if the App store launches on Android and the Play store launches on iOS...
I doubt it will take years to impose fines on Apple. March 25th is the date by when Apple has to respond to these findings. Similarly, all these will be done in weeks. Then Apple will start incurring fines. Yes, they can go to court and drag it, but the EU will start imposing fines on Apple on a daily basis (up to 5% of their global turnover per day, which is about $1 billion dollars per day). If the court case is dragged for 6 months, there is no guarantee that Apple will win but they will end up paying $180 billion fine or thereabouts.
 
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