They kinda already are. Especially loot boxes as they fall foul of existing gambling laws.
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They kinda already are. Especially loot boxes as they fall foul of existing gambling laws.
No one is forcing the developers to code for the App Store if they do it’s because it’s worth it. That they want a bigger piece of the pie is another thing.
Isn't that how retail works in general?
The stores get their "cut" from every product sold?
Yes that may be the case for approval of the wares but it can still be sold outside 1 only way. I can shop at Gamestop or other retailers for the same product as opposed to Sony or Microsoft's store. Which is why this is really not an apples to apple comparison, no pun intended.
Why stop there? Apple also has a monopoly on iOS. Why not force them to license iOS to other manufacturers?
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So what, you think Best Buy is selling Apple products out of the goodness of their heart and not taking any cut?
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And my first Kindle (device) had a text-to-speech feature which Amazon killed after going into Audible Audiobooks, so now I have to pay twice if I want to switch between reading and listening. This is business, it ain’t fair.
I think countries and in general all lawyers think they aren't doing their jobs if they aren't suing Apple for some reason - worthwhile or not. I wonder how much less our Apple equipment would cost if no lawsuits.
I know they would never do it - but I wonder how the citizens of the EU would react if Apple said fine - we aren't doing business in the EU
I know they would never do it - but I wonder how the citizens of the EU would react if Apple said fine - we aren't doing business in the EU
I really hope this doesn't end up crippling Apple Pay in some way. I have found touch-less, specifically Apple Pay (higher transaction limits), invaluable here in Europe during the pandemic.
Well no in fact the app store was a copy from cydia which was no idea from apple
"baseless"? This one is quite presumptuous… or cherry-picking evidence at the very least. Willful ignorance is not the basis for appealing to lack of evidence.
Peddling the circumstantial ad hominem fallacy, I see… you're implying that because the companies lodging the complaints are biased or would benefit from the outcome that their argument is therefore invalid. That's some misguided thinking there, benefiting from an argument doesn't make the argument immoral.
Oh, and you're constructing strawmen too? Their argument isn't to avoid playing by the same rules as others, it's the exact opposite! The argument is that Apple aren't playing by the same rules as others.
Right, so you're concluding with a red herring by avoiding the issue and appealing to emotion.
Seriously, this was permitted to be an official statement from Apple? It's riddled with fallacies and manipulation tactics. I was shocked, I expected more from Apple.
What could be the outcome of this?
Would Apple be forced to allow "alternative" app stores in addition to their own?
And would people want to shop there? Does "Jim's App Store" sound good?
Will developers want to deal with multiple places to sell apps?
Would Apple be forced to allow "alternative" app stores in addition to their own?
And would people want to shop there? Does "Jim's App Store" sound good?
Will developers want to deal with multiple places to sell apps?
I suspect you're being facetious or sarcastic, but my genuine answer to all of your binary questions is "YES!"
So the marketplace gets re-defined as Apple made hardware to prove Apple has a monopoly?
Post I responded to suggested the EU looking into wether or not something complies with the law would be telling the company how to run their business and that the US would be different.
Not sarcastic... I'm genuinely wondering about the App Store situation.
OK... developers might be upset that Apple takes 30% of each sale. I understand that. So the obvious answer is another app store to sell their apps.
But then developers would still have to pay some sort of fee to that app store... as that app store won't do it for free.
Or... developers could roll their own solution... maintaining their own payment processing (Stripe, PayPal, etc)... their own hosting (Rackspace, Linode, or whatever)... and making it all work together seamlessly.
But again... all those have costs too. And hassle.
So I dunno. Would developers really go through all that rigmarole just to sell an app somewhere else to get a few extra pennies in the end?
Apple risked billions to build a platform. Spotify didn’t. It’s only fair Apple has an advantage.
Sony invested hundreds of millions into Playstation. Microsoft did the same with Xbox. They did this for decades long before the App Store. Interesting how no one complains about them yet they’re the gatekeepers of their own platform.
Sony invested hundreds of millions into Playstation. Microsoft did the same with Xbox. They did this for decades long before the App Store. Interesting how no one complains about them yet they’re the gatekeepers of their own platform.
I hate the EU, they seem to only pick on US based companies. I wish Apple and other companies would just say FU and not sell anything there and see how they like that.
However, I also think it's ridicules that Apple charges 30%. I understand them charging that much when it started since they had to implement it and get it up and running but now it's time to change it to maybe 10%.
However, I also think it's ridicules that Apple charges 30%. I understand them charging that much when it started since they had to implement it and get it up and running but now it's time to change it to maybe 10%.
The term monopoly needs to be redefined. Being in an ecosystem does not mean its a monopoly. You can develop apps for Android. Company produces a product that has its centralized store for apps. This does not mean a monopoly because there are competing companies.
However, we have true monopolies like Internet Service Providers and nobody really cares about that. I only have Spectrum in my area. That is a TRUE monopoly as I cannot change to some other company.
So my argument with Xbox and PS4 still stands, as they have the same thing in regards to licensing. Is it JUST the App Store that is the issue? If you need to pay Apple the same 30% (same with the Xbox and PS4 licensing costs EVEN if you sell if physically), is it okay? Just because its on one store, you are still fine with the 30% to Apple costs if they allow other stores?
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Why does Steam get a pass then?
However, we have true monopolies like Internet Service Providers and nobody really cares about that. I only have Spectrum in my area. That is a TRUE monopoly as I cannot change to some other company.
So my argument with Xbox and PS4 still stands, as they have the same thing in regards to licensing. Is it JUST the App Store that is the issue? If you need to pay Apple the same 30% (same with the Xbox and PS4 licensing costs EVEN if you sell if physically), is it okay? Just because its on one store, you are still fine with the 30% to Apple costs if they allow other stores?
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Why does Steam get a pass then?
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You don't get to redefine a term just because it's inconvenient.
"A monopoly exists when a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular commodity."
The enterprise here is Apple and the commodity is every single iOS app.
Well, that is complete nonsense. That are lots on European companies probed and fined by the Comission related to all types of business. Understandably you don't see that on a Apple Forum.
For example some time ago a merger between Siemens and Alstom was blocked, two euro companies that would have formed a super Euro champion. Why? Not to curtail competition.
One would expect that people on the USA would appreciate the rule of law, everyday it seems that countries that like that are dwindling.
Still I don't expect this to go anywhere. Apple hasn't got a dominant position, unlike Google or Microsoft in the past.
Cue an entire thread of people arguing about what defines a monopoly.
It's irrelevant, the EU haven't accused Apple of being a monopoly, they are investigating whether Apple use their position to distort competition (and they do), you don't necessarily have to monopolise a market to do that.
It's irrelevant, the EU haven't accused Apple of being a monopoly, they are investigating whether Apple use their position to distort competition (and they do), you don't necessarily have to monopolise a market to do that.
Is Apple the only supplier for Apps?
This is what needs defining. How far does it go? Apple is the only supplier for Safari. Apple is the only supplier for Final Cut Pro X.
Android supports Apps too, so Apple is not a monopoly.
Is Microsoft a monopoly for Direct X?
Monopoly needs redefining. Commodity is Apps. Which Android supports. In your example, Enterprise is Apple and commodity is Final Cut Pro X. Therefore, its a monopoly?