EU Antitrust Ruling Says Google Abusing Patent Position in German Lawsuit Against Apple

[MacinDoc]

Can you point where I have said that Apple was not a willing licensee in this case?

I guess I may have misinterpreted the following as your suggestion that Apple was not a willing licensee, though I do believe that Apple asked to court to determine a reasonable fee.

And the FTC clearly stated that injunctions can be made against SEP. And the Apple-Motorola and Microsoft-Motorola are good examples, Microsoft was willing to accept a binding third party determination, Apple was not.

 

[Oletros]

I guess I may have misinterpreted the following as your suggestion that Apple was not a willing licensee, though I do believe that Apple asked to court to determine a reasonable fee.

No, I was not talking about the German case, I was talking about what the FTC said last december and how Microsoft and Apple dealt with their Motorola cases regarding arbitration in USA.

 

[tongxinshe]

Wrong, it was for some design patents and some functional patents.

The functional patents you are referring to are important factors for the look & feel Apple designed for its iPhone and iPad.

By the way, Samsung copied so shamefully the iPad that the jury concluded that they didn't infringed any design patent

Unfortunately the patent system is not good at protecting these look & feel designs.

 

[Oletros]

The functional patents you are referring to are important factors for the look & feel Apple designed for its iPhone and iPad.

Wrong, they are functional patents. You said DESIGN patents and those were not design patents.

Unfortunately the patent system is not good at protecting these look & feel designs.

Ah, yes, when the result is not what we wish is the system that is broken.

Yap, like the German, UK and Dutch courts that stated exactly the same

 

[tongxinshe]

Wrong, they are functional patents. You said DESIGN patents and those were not design patents.

Classify them “functional” or “design” as you wish, the fact is that there are nothing technically difficult in those “functional” patents you are referring to, the more important part is the design idea inside them. And, much more important than all of their individual function or design, the combined look & feel of all these designs is the real part Apple brought up to the world, and that is the part Apple hates to see Samsung cloned.

Ah, yes, when the result is not what we wish is the system that is broken.

Wrong, it’s a shortcoming the system born with, has nothing to do with it being broken or not. The look & feel of an electronic device is not something the patent system designed to protect.

 

[Oletros]

Classify them “functional” or “design” as you wish, the fact is that there are nothing technically difficult in those “functional” patents you are referring to, the more important part is the design idea inside them. And, much more important than all of their individual function or design, the combined look & feel of all these designs is the real part Apple brought up to the world, and that is the part Apple hates to see Samsung cloned.

The ****ing fact is that they are functional patents, they are not design patents as you said.

Wrong, it’s a shortcoming the system born with, has nothing to do with it being broken or not. The look & feel of an electronic device is not something the patent system designed to protect.

Wrong, design patents have existed since long ago and they have protected anything. So no, there is no "the system is not good at protecting look and feel". The system has been protecting look and feel before any electronic device existed.

 

[tongxinshe]

The ****ing fact is that they are functional patents, they are not design patents as you said.

Wrong, design patents have existed since long ago and they have protected anything. So no, there is no "the system is not good at protecting look and feel". The system has been protecting look and feel before any electronic device existed.

You obviously lack the ability to think “out of the box”. As long as you are told what “design” is defined as, you are never able to understand anything different when other people wanted to cover a slightly different arena using that word.