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When face ID came out, apple was bragging about how many times users unlock their iPhones with touch id and how much time would be saved with face iD. That sounds like tracking to me.
App Analytics is different than want is being discussed here. Tracking that over 1 million clicks were made to turn a feature on or off is different than tracking the user macfacts is always disabling Location Tracking after work.
 
I still don't understand how Apple not allowing reviews of their own apps hasn't drawn any attention from watchdogs...
Do you have specific example?
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Quite a mediocre score to boot.

And on the Mac you have the equivalent ones and all the others: Final Cut, Motion, Garage Band, etc etc with their corresponding ratings and reviews.
 
And? If you can't trust Messages.app then you should move on to another OS.
Also you select specific photos to use. You are granting access to that photo, that one time, to send to that specific recipient.
Edit: In other words, it’s an attachment like an email. And unless you use gmail or some other unscrupulous actor, your email attachment is not skimmed off and monetized.

Apple doesn’t access your photo for their own use, and you aren’t granting Apple the right to all of your photos, or any of them, for your own use.

Many unscrupulous apps, including major apps, grab as many photos as they want and all the meta data and send them who knows where (for money). The practice had become so egregious that Apple now allows you to only grant access to specific photos rather than having to either grant access to all or none.
 
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Well it is kind of funny, because nobody knows if they do or not. Just because they don't run an ad platform (anymore, thankfully), doesn't mean that they don't somehow accumulate some sort of data.
Apple does run an ad platform and they do collect data. They just do it in a way that cannot be traced to users.

The data they collect is anonymous and scrambled. They alter it so that any data point is always incorrect by a random amount but the average across thousands of people will be the same as if they collected actual data.

Nobody can verify it, because Apple does not allow any insight into its operations.

I would only believe it 100% if there was an independent audit performed. Otherwise we're just asked to believe Uncle Tim.

Third parties audit Apple's software all the time.
 
None of us really knows what data Apple is collecting. It's opaque for a reason. Probably a lot less than Google, given their incentives as a hardware/software company rather than an ad/cloud company. Either way, the data collection doesn't clearly affect the user, so it's a reasonable strategy to not care.
Apple is not "opaque" about the data they are collecting. As far as I go, they can collect whatever they need to give me a good experience within their ecosystem. I trust they are not sending my PII out for $$$ to data aggregators.
 
Yet another example of why the EU is the "nanny state". Should Apple pop up a window asking people to acknowledge that Apple does not track them and there is no way to opt out of not being tracked. No one can blame GB from leaving the mess that is the EU. Germany and France are what is holding it together. Once either of them exits the game is over.
 
The EU, as a failed superstate, needs to get off its high horse and stop trying to speak for European countries. It’s in no position to demand anything of Apple
Wow you must live in an alternate universe.

The EU IS representative of European countries and they do have a position to demand anything they want of Apple.


Did you support Brexit? Because if not, then you're in no position to complain about the EU.
 
Apple is not "opaque" about the data they are collecting. As far as I go, they can collect whatever they need to give me a good experience within their ecosystem. I trust they are not sending my PII out for $$$ to data aggregators.
"Whatever they need" is a lot. Keep in mind what iOS does. Location services, banking, cell service, and face and fingerprint ID, to name a few. It's all closed source, in an encrypted kernel... for well-meaning reasons; hardware security boils down to obscurity. But it is opaque.

Apple has a pretty good track record, and I trust them with my personal stuff. It's still a blind trust. My only concern is why they provided device identifiers specifically for third-party apps to track users for ads and didn't even ask the user for permission until now.
 
"Whatever they need" is a lot. Keep in mind what iOS does. Location services, banking, cell service, and face and fingerprint ID, to name a few. It's all closed source, in an encrypted kernel... for well-meaning reasons; hardware security boils down to obscurity. But it is opaque.

Apple has a pretty good track record, and I trust them with my personal stuff. It's still a blind trust. My only concern is why they provided device identifiers specifically for third-party apps to track users for ads and didn't even ask the user for permission until now.
Apple details the data they have on you on their servers and the data the phone keeps that is encrypted that can be mapped to PII (or not). I don't think it's that hard to find as I've tripped over it before.
 
Yet another example of why the EU is the "nanny state". Should Apple pop up a window asking people to acknowledge that Apple does not track them and there is no way to opt out of not being tracked. No one can blame GB from leaving the mess that is the EU. Germany and France are what is holding it together. Once either of them exits the game is over.
And Apple is a perfect example of a "nanny company" that thinks they know best for you. But I don't hear the people who complain about nanny states ever complain about Apple's ever-growing examples of becoming a super monopoly. Didn't MS get spanked back in the days of Internet Explorer?

I on the other hand agree with your view on the EU, but also fairly apply my principles of individual freedom to Apple, a company that virtue signals their "ideals" while building their devices with slave labor and claiming "Well, we have no control over what our subcontractors do."
 
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Go and try to leave one for Apple Music ;)
Well, since Apple Music is not an app and the Music app is part of macOS and cannot be downloaded from the App Store, it would be hard to review something in the App Store that does not exist. But nice try with the strawman argument.
 
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And Apple is a perfect example of a "nanny company" that thinks they know best for you. But I don't hear the people who complain about nanny states ever complain about Apple's ever-growing examples of becoming a super monopoly. Didn't MS get spanked back in the days of Internet Explorer?

I on the other hand agree with your view on the EU, but also fairly apply my principles of individual freedom to Apple, a company that virtue signals their "ideals" while building their devices with slave labor and claiming "Well, we have no control over what our subcontractors do."
Then why are you here and why do you still (if you even do) use Apple products? Asking for a friend.
 
Well, since Apple Music is not an app and the Music app is part of macOS and cannot be downloaded from the App Store, it would be hard to review something in the App Store that does not exist. But nice try with the strawman argument.

This thread is a discussion of the upcoming changes to iOS, not a single mention of macOS is the original article. 👍
 
Then why are you here and why do you still (if you even do) use Apple products? Asking for a friend.
Because I don't care that the product is manufactured by 3rd world slave labor, I care that the product works and I get software updates guaranteed for at least 2 years, unlike Android which is a ****show. If I pay $1-1.5k for a device, it better receive updates for several years, not be a flagship device with no updates [I'm looking at you Samsung].

Sure, I think sweat shops are highly unethical, but the only thing that will ever change that is every customer that buys a product manufactured in a sweatshop stops buying such products and sends written letters or floods their phone board with negative protests. It won't happen because [as this forum shows], people care more about having the latest and greatest iDevice.

Anybody that voices concern is immediately told "if you don't like it, then go buy a different device." That is a non-argument and only contributes to further boot licking.

I am here to debate and point out that the blind Apple worshippers are boot lickers and should see the light: you should have absolutely no loyalty to a company or manufacturer. Sure, you can like their product, but don't be ignorant and pretend they actually care about privacy [hint: they don't care about privacy in China, they only care about their bottom line and will virtue signal anything to get another dollar].
 
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This thread is a discussion of the upcoming changes to iOS, not a single mention of macOS is the original article. 👍
I believe there will eventually be a unified Apple operating system in the next few years, the transition to the M series chips on their actual "computers" will enable one application to be developed with many views using one framework.

Something MS royally butchered with the UWP framework.
 
I believe there will eventually be a unified Apple operating system in the next few years, the transition to the M series chips on their actual "computers" will enable one application to be developed with many views using one framework.

Something MS royally butchered with the UWP framework.

The ability of one app to run with different views depending on the target device already exists between iOS and MacOS. There is no need, and no benefit, to merging the actual operating systems so long as they can run the same apps, so Apple won’t do that.
 
The ability of one app to run with different views depending on the target device already exists between iOS and MacOS. There is no need, and no benefit, to merging the actual operating systems so long as they can run the same apps, so Apple won’t do that.
I disagree, a unified modular operating system will save them money in development. Since the new macs are using ARM there is literally no reason not to merge the OS between iOS, iPadOS, and MacOS. A phone is no different than a computer when you consider:
  1. It has a processor
  2. It has RAM
  3. It has storage
  4. It accepts user input
  5. It has a display
  6. It has wireless communication
  7. It has speakers
The only difference at this point between a computer and a phone is the size and method of input (and of course the fact a phone has a cellular modem). You can hook up a Bluetooth keyboard to type so the only limitation to prevent somebody from running the full version of Microsoft Office on the phone is the operating system and instruction set the processor uses to execute instructions.

Unifying the OSs and maintaining separate user interfaces for both of them will create an interesting future, such as with Samsung's DeX mode: DeX Mode | Device Multitasking | Samsung US. Imagine not needing a computer, all you need is your phone and you can plug it in to a dock and use full-scale MacOS applications.
 
I disagree, a unified modular operating system will save them money in development. Since the new macs are using ARM there is literally no reason not to merge the OS between iOS, iPadOS, and MacOS. A phone is no different than a computer when you consider:
  1. It has a processor
  2. It has RAM
  3. It has storage
  4. It accepts user input
  5. It has a display
  6. It has wireless communication
  7. It has speakers
The only difference at this point between a computer and a phone is the size and method of input (and of course the fact a phone has a cellular modem). You can hook up a Bluetooth keyboard to type so the only limitation to prevent somebody from running the full version of Microsoft Office on the phone is the operating system and instruction set the processor uses to execute instructions.

Unifying the OSs and maintaining separate user interfaces for both of them will create an interesting future, such as with Samsung's DeX mode: DeX Mode | Device Multitasking | Samsung US. Imagine not needing a computer, all you need is your phone and you can plug it in to a dock and use full-scale MacOS applications.

Your post seems confused. iOS and MacOS are already “modular.” They use the same kernel. They both have UIKit and various other shared subsystems. If that’s all you mean by ”unified operating system” it already exists.
 
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