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Some of these rules go way overboard. No browsers are allowed pre installed on any phone? I have to install a browser? Ridiculous. If these rules are to come into law then Apple is going to have a lot of work to do redesigning their operating system and App Store to give a similar amount of security for those that still want it. Allow any voice assistant? Siri is baked into the whole OS I don't know how they are going to give full access to Alexa or Google without sacrificing security. A tough time for iOS ahead.
Can you imagine the nightmare of Amazon using your iPhone to listen to everything you do or Facebook gathering all the data from your phone and selling it, or how about a hacker creating their own voice AI that gives them control over your phone?
They could access your photos, emails, texts and pretty much anything they want!

Yeah let us all want that to happen please EU....[End Sarcasm]
 
Wrong. Flat wrong. Every thing demanded in this legislation treats technology like the flexible platform that it is. It liberates technology from the confines of a service structure and gives individuals as well as other companies more choice. This will foster competition and is completely antithetical from anything socialist.
Wrong wrong wrong, everything in the legislation is designed to grab as much of Apple's money as they can whilst also destroying Apple simply for being successful and not being EU.
This will end completion....the end!
 
Ah yes, the old paradox. By adding options, you take away the option to have fewer options. Does man truly have free will if he cannot freely choose to not have free will? This statement is false.

While you're enjoying your debate with Plato, maybe just don't use sideloading if you don't want to?
Whilst you are debating with yourself maybe you should understand their is no choice as the EU has taken it away so ANY hacker could take your phone regardless of if you side load or not.
I have forgotten more about tech security than you will ever know so I am right when I say this move is dumb!
 
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I welcome these regulations because we need to try something. I hope they also introduce regulationsns to keep our right not to be overruled by algorithms, like some sort of right to be "chronological".

Apple will probably need to make it clear that you will void your warranty if you sideload, loose access to Secure Enclave features, loose access to upgrades, etc. There's a lot they can do to demote sideloading wishes. It will be good to be able to use chrome to access websites, since some of them just don't work in safari.

I know some of the regulations seems like overstretch, but I am looking forward to be able to use iMessage to read Whatsapp msgs... Meta absolutely dominates communications in my country.
You know that in the eu apple has to offer 2 years warranty by law, right? Certainly voiding that because you installed an app would be considered illegal and apple would lose a court case. Also the law says clearly that access to the various technologies (NFT, Secure Enclave etc) must be granted, apple can’t exclude an app just because it wants to.
 
It sounds like they just want some more money. 10% of their worldwide revenue? They just can’t do that if the company is not based in Europe. Why do they feel entitled to the revenue that a non European company made outside of Europe? Ridiculous. Pathetic.
Because the EU was founded by a certain German(Austrian actually but who cares) called Adolf!
Documents where recently uncovered that shows British Intelligence knew that in 1942 Martin Boreman (Adolf's private secretary and number 2) met with leading German industrialists etc to say that they will lose the war and plans should be made to move certain assets etc offshore and then move back once the dust settles.
The first president of the EU(it's predecessor) was a former senior Third Reich member!

So in my view I see plenty of proof to show that the EU is just the Third Reich reborn!
 
They might if Chevrolet and/or Mercedes-Benz were among few dominating their industry but they aren’t. Regulators tend to focus on industries or industry segments with too few players having too much control. Mobile OS (Android and iOS having nearly 100% share) and desktop/laptop OS (Windows and OS X/macOS having around 91% share) are a couple of examples.
That is still no excuse!
 
The EU has just made it impossible for anyone to live in the walled garden by destroying it and allowing any murderer, thief and evil into the garden leaving us with NO protection at all!

Sounds more like WW2 EU!
Let’s evaluate that when the time comes.

And what is that WW2 EU that you’re referring to?
 
Just first page and it’s already extremely polarising, even coming up with “charges per app use”. Like what? You REALLY that badly want apple to become the worlds first $10T company?

And no one realise, being too successful is also a problem, depending on how you get there. I’m all heart with EU spearheading the war against tech giants because they have all become way too powerful in manipulating people nowadays, even more so than government would’ve dreamed of. Methods may be up to debate, but intention is good.
The EU intention is selfish and evil
The EU do not care about you or your family, they hate you!
The EU have no clue what they are doing!
Who are the EU to demand that Apple and others should not be successful?
Surely that goes for the EU as well then as they are very successful and way more powerful than Apple?

I could go...
 
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Because it forces Apple to behave exactly as Android which means a user has to choose between open and weak security with zero privacy or open and weak security with zero privacy....so in other words, no choice!
That has to be determined yet, there is no product in place that adheres to this regulation. Good software teams will learn to work with challenges, and there never was full security in the first place. Everything has a weak point somewhere.
 
Most Encryption ciphers/algorithms are open.

There is a misconception that hiding encryption algorithms makes things more secure. But that’s not true.

With encryption the thing that should be secret isn’t the algorithm; but the private keys
Those keys will now be open and easy to steal! It would take me less than 1 day to infect your phone (if you owned an iPhone) and own you!
This is pure stupidity !
 
Well apple had it coming for a long time.
How? Making their own OS and selling a device?

What's wrong with you people? You want the company to be punished for making something you like? No one forced you to buy an iPhone. And, you still don't have to. And, there are options to pubs other devices.

You know, nobody was being up Nokia when it was dominating the cell world. Apple was even laughed at for entering the market. People even laughed at the App Store. They only care once you are successful. Just lame.
 
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How exactly?

"This includes making messaging, voice-calling, and video-calling services interoperable with third-party services upon request" does not equal the death of encryption. No developer would ever do this anyway.


One, What's APP (or any services for that matter) would never want to do this because it would mean they'd have to create end-to-end encryption with iMessages thats different than their. They'll keep their loops closed. This is more about playing nice with other open standards like RCS. Two, if voice/video/chat app wanted to bastardize their encryption, they would likely be creating a separate channel for for Apple, and another for Google, plus their app-to-app protocols.... which again, NO ONE is doing that. You can also build bridges in between that translate back and forth... but no one is going to do that. The effort and development needed would be insanity and not have any return on investment.
How? BY allowing ANY hacker to own any iPhone with nothing the owner can do to stop it!
I would explain it to you but I do not have the patience!
 
It’s going to be interesting to see how this pans out. It’ll be interesting to review after a year or two what is better for consumers and what is worse.
 
What's App would have to request that Apple or Google give them the ability to be cross platform with their default messaging apps.

They will never do this in the first place.

In addition to what I already said on this, What's App or Snap Chat could also alert you that "You are messaging an IOS/Android user and What's App standard end-to-end encryption does not apply to message outside of What's App and will use default encryption for SMS" or something.

Everyone be freaking out but the reality is, if you create a secure messaging app that's encryption is its feature, YOU ARE NOT ASKING ANOTHER COMPANY TO SHARE YOUR STUFF. Snap Chat would have to want to open up their encryption to Apple and request it.... they're not doing that.
WRONG! This weakens security and you have no clue at all!
Shall I tell you how easy it is to infect this and steal those keys that make the magic of encryption work?
 
You miss the intention and point.

1. Companies do pay Apple... Google pays them billions to be the default search.
2. The legislation is saying Apple cannot preinstall defaults, not that they have to put competing apps on the phone by default. You as the user would have to go and download them yourself and no one is getting paid placement.
3. If Apple didn't have their own music service, you can bet your sweet ass that they would put a paid placement app for a music service on your home screen.... they did this once upon a time with an app called Google Maps before they made their own... and YouTube!
You miss the point, this is dumb and will weaken security!

DONE
 
Well, in this instance, there has been no decisions by any court that determined iOS or Android are guilty of anything. This commission just went ahead and came up with a set of rules to destroy iOS.

Laws, regulations, etc. can be handled differently in different countries/regions. In this case, the EU appears to be addressing a number of potential antitrust issues that have been in the works e.g., sideloading, app payment systems, app stores, browser or browser engine restrictions, default settings or agreements, etc. They have now more clearly defined what puts a company in the dominant/gatekeeper category, have identified activities they feel violate antitrust regulations, requirements, fines, etc.

All affected companies will need to comply, not just Apple. As with many laws and regulations, people may agree with all, some or none of what is in the DMA/DSA but it is what it is. How Apple. Google and others decide to move forward will be up to them.

Ironically, many people here have been arguing that Apple should be able to set its own rules for activities within their platform yet complain when the EU tries to set their own rules for activities within their "platform" (member countries). In a sense, Apple is getting a taste of their own medicine.
 
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