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Admittedly I am only following this on the surface but I dont get it either. They push for privacy laws and then set about dismantling the ecosystems that offer it?! Apple gets targeted while Meta, TikTok and others can keep doing their thing? Nuts.

TBF, Apple did it to themselves a little with the "my way or the highway" approach. They could've read the room and conceded a little *before* European regulators got all fired up (like USB-C). Still, I guess the EU would prefer a continent filled with start up Chinese companies running hacked Android.
They're anti-privacy. See https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/
And they dislike Apple because 1. they're successful and 2. not founded&funded by the EU.
 
While we need to regulate those giants, rules should not hinder technology. And more importantly, what if these regulations are made just to make Apple and other companies pay.
This is good any way you slice it. And I worked to personally endorse and further some of these practices early in my career. It was ultimately self serving and this is better I’m happy for these changes being introduced.
 
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Some of these rules go way overboard. No browsers are allowed pre installed on any phone? I have to install a browser? Ridiculous. If these rules are to come into law then Apple is going to have a lot of work to do redesigning their operating system and App Store to give a similar amount of security for those that still want it. Allow any voice assistant? Siri is baked into the whole OS I don't know how they are going to give full access to Alexa or Google without sacrificing security. A tough time for iOS ahead.
 
Let the legally wrangling begin. My prediction is that large swaths of this don't survive the courts without significant changes.
 
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The EU is based on ideas from the 1930s/1940s. And they haven't been able to evolve. Just like the Soviet Union it will collapse eventually.
Sounds like a Boris Johnson who is working overtime to split the EU so the Little Britain can have it's own region in Western Europe to milk. Finally Brexit is making a lot of sense right now.
 
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Bad decision. Punishes innovators and people who invest in a product or services that make it big, makes it harder for companies to protect their customers from scams and malicious software, and is essentially "tech socialism".
Wrong. Flat wrong. Every thing demanded in this legislation treats technology like the flexible platform that it is. It liberates technology from the confines of a service structure and gives individuals as well as other companies more choice. This will foster competition and is completely antithetical from anything socialist.
 
Wrong. Flat wrong. Every thing demanded in this legislation treats technology like the flexible platform that it is. It liberates technology from the confines of a service structure and gives individuals as well as other companies more choice. This will foster competition and is completely antithetical from anything socialist.
It will kill the app store so the we will have no choice but to get apps from the Wild West. Plus these other things about sharing our information is just plain creepy. This is monumentally stupid legislation.
 
typical move by bureaucrats heavily influenced by lobbyists and neither has "end users" in their mind ...
And that's at the heart of the conflict in Ukraine as well. Politicians & lobbyists couldn't care less about the people in Ukraine (whether they're Russian speaking in Donbass or Crimea, or Ukranian speaking in Lviv etc). We have to rise up against these bastards.
 
Finally. Excellent move by the EU to regulating some of the world's most powerful companies. This reminds me of the quote: "Our technology moves faster than our ethics".
And all in the interest of the “people”, right? Not.
 
Sounds like a Boris Johnson who is working overtime to split the EU so the Little Britain can have it's own region in Western Europe to milk. Finally Brexit is making a lot of sense right now.
I don't like Johnson, but Brexit was the right thing to do. The UK economy is outperforming the German economy at moment. I'm sure that will remain the case the coming decades.
 
This is massive government overreach that will impact on the privacy, security, and convenience of consumers.
It really seems that way.

Forcing Apple to open up iMessages and adopt some interoperability standards with hardware and protocols vs proprietary is fine, but this, comes off as "ask for an inch, take a mile".
 
I want an option that my phone is closed and just as it is now? I can no longer have that so I have less options. After regulation there are fewer options almost by definition.
Ah yes, the old paradox. By adding options, you take away the option to have fewer options. Does man truly have free will if he cannot freely choose to not have free will? This statement is false.

While you're enjoying your debate with Plato, maybe just don't use sideloading if you don't want to?
 
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Maybe the EU should just get into the business of developing/defining product features for Apple full-time and this way Apple can save some R&D money and lower prices for customers. /s
 
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Does anyone know if this new legislation prohibits Apple from requiring Google, Firefox, Opera and others to use Webkit as the rendering engine of their iOS Web Browsers?
 
If the cost to apple to comply with these regulations is close to the revenue, I can see apple exiting the EU and let the citizens use android.
If Apple were to do that, they would have to shut down all services too on existing phones. Apple likely will not do that to their brand or bank account.
 
Wrong. Flat wrong. Every thing demanded in this legislation treats technology like the flexible platform that it is. It liberates technology from the confines of a service structure and gives individuals as well as other companies more choice. This will foster competition and is completely antithetical from anything socialist.
It reappropriates intellectual property from private control to public control. We can debate the merits of it and benefits to society, but it is definitely in socialism's wheelhouse.
 
It will kill the app store so the we will have no choice but to get apps from the Wild West. Plus these other things about sharing our information is just plain creepy. This is monumentally stupid legislation.
..from a monumentally stupid organisation.

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(Yes, I know Gorbachev didn't literally say this)
 
I welcome this. More CHOICE is good. You don't like sideloading the don't sideload.

If you do then sideload.

Except for that the possibility of sideloading and the other provisions of this directive:
1. eliminates the necessity that apps have at minimum a cursory review by an App Store;
2. are removed given they are found to be deleterious or dangerous;
3. reduces likelihood that apps will comply with handset makers requirements;
all because there is no obvious detection and enforcement system.
4. seems to eliminate the handset maker’s ability to provide a uniform, highly secure, predictable experience for the user;
5. Relegate Apple from ecosystem developer and enforcer to a glorified device producer.

The size of the penalties are shocking, by way of comparison, here are the EU’s penalties for other offenses like fraud and collusion:

1. The Directive seeks to harmonise the definitions and sanctions related to fraud offences, including corruption and bribery, affecting the ‘Union’s financial interests’ as defined.

The penalty for corporate offenders is a fine of not less than EUR20,000 and not more than EUR20 million.

2. The fines for this issue are more closely related to those for anti-competition law as seen in this fact sheet:

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As to the information sharing component, maybe it reads wrong, but it would seem to significantly erode privacy as well. (I’m fairly surprised they didn’t take a whack at end to end encryption, or demand a golden device decryption key as well.)

Just in the practical sense, if an App Store can’t set privacy standards and suspend an app for violating them, because the app can ignore them due to the possibility of sideloading, the apps will ignore the rules to increase their benefits with no fear of consequences.

Goodwill compliance, on the honor system, is not only enforcement against bad apps, it’s an actual incentive.

This is frightening.
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It would seem the iOS ecosystem is about to become the Wild West, because the governor is allowing the renegades to come into town, and is willing to fine the sheriff to keep him from keeping things safe, all in the hopes of having a couple more saloons on Main Street.
 
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