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Next up: European McDonalds required to serve Burger King sandwiches alongside their fast-food-best French fries.
Not really. It would be more akin to instructing a dominant landlord (if one existed) to allow Burger King and McDonald restaurants to be setup in your shopping malls across the country.
 
i don’t care about their reasons, it’s still odd behavior. imagine what user experiences apple and google have crushed with their duopolistic hold on the market.

dumber than let the free market decide?
The free market IS deciding. You don’t want to let it anymore.

Today I can choose a closed, secure system instead of other options.

You don’t want my choice to exist anymore.

You are not for the free market.
 
Time to make a bare bones EU iPhone, yep just the phone or pull out completely, let the EU start their own industry.
 
Inaccurate analogy, except, that that somewhat, and legally, exists in the electric car space.
However, regarding your phone. You do own the phone; you don't own the software on the phone (including iOS). The software, per its T&Cs, is licensed to you.

Agreed. People just don’t understand you own your phone yes but not the operating system. If you want to break it, try to hack it feel free to do so. But Apple shouldn’t be forced to make it easy. This is like saying you own a Nintendo switch so Nintendo should make it easy to back up your games (dumping the ROMs).
 
Yes - but not without questioning it - if the only alternative is a browser monopoly then Apple crippling competition is the lesser of two evils. Alternatively, if there was a healthy browser ecosystem with multiple thriving rendering engines I would be very happy and excited to see alternative rendering engines on iOS. But that isn't the world we live in.
Who will determine which is the better evil? An entity set up by a group of governments elected by multiple people for the express purpose of making such determinations and will be held accountable for their decisions or Apple fanbois? I think it is a no brainer.
 
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My only complaint about iOS being closed is the restriction on third party web browsers using their own rendering engine. That some EU bureaucrat says, “EU regulation fosters innovation, without compromising on security and privacy”, with a straight face is honestly humorous or maybe scary. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I personally have no desire to have additional App Stores to use in iOS, I tried that on Android and honestly thought that it sucked. I hope that Apple can allow that in a way that does not impact those of us who don’t use it at all.
 
It is not really a free market, if you can just choose between iOS and Android. And Google even pays billions to Apple.

What is "free" about not being able to do what you want with your own very expensive phone? Imagine you buy a car, but the car company also owns gas stations and only allows you to use their own gas stations. Would that be your idea or free market?
No one says free market to mean there are no contracts, obligations, or restrictions on behavior. This is like saying it’s not a feee country because we aren’t allowed to throw pies in the faces of politicians we don’t like.

Because you can make a bad analogy that has nothing relevant and is a strained view of the current situation designed purely as rhetoric doesn’t mean current situations don’t fall under free markets or that many people have clearly supported them. We made clear by the millions of phone sales.
 
Who will determine which is the better evil? An entity set up by a group of governments elected by multiple people for the express purpose of making such determinations and will be held accountable for their decisions or Apple fanbois? I think it is a no brainer.
I agree that an entity set up by government agencies on behalf of the electorate should be in charge. I however disagree that they made the right call on this, I think they should have given more weight to the fact that Chrome is basically a monopoly in its own right outside of the iOS space.
 
Just build your EU phone and leave us alone. Apple is not a monopoly it just makes its own environment, if you don’t like it build your own.
Or Apple could stop selling in the EU right now so that they can keep their rules. Then they can leave Japan, South Korea, India, China, and possibly US once similar kinds of rules come to those countries. Then, Apple will no longer be a monopoly as you stated.
 
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Who will determine which is the better evil? An entity set up by a group of governments elected by multiple people for the express purpose of making such determinations and will be held accountable for their decisions or Apple fanbois? I think it is a no brainer.
How about everyone is allowed to vote by purchasing the product or not. Then instead of some “entity” with power far exceeding their knowledge every single person interested in the outcome can vote. I think it’s a no brainer.
 
I agree that an entity set up by government agencies on behalf of the electorate should be in charge. I however disagree that they made the right call on this, I think they should have given more weight to the fact that Chrome is basically a monopoly in its own right outside of the iOS space.
Apple had more than a decade to make a better browser and keep Chrome off Ios or MacOS. Instead of that, it chose to cripple the competition. Now Apple has nobody to blame but itself.
 
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No because your taking out of context what is being said and over embellishing it.
Not really, not when its the EU speak, as officials openly boasted about lying and not taking any notice of the electorate of sovereign nations within it. One who liked the juice suggested he spoke with aliens....Take a look at some of the quotes from Jean Claude-Juncker:

We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back

“We all know what to do, but we don’t know how to get re-elected once we have done it.”

“When it becomes serious, you have to lie.”

"When the going gets tough, you have to lie"

"I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ....I am for secret, dark debates"

Apparently he talked to "several leaders of other planets, who are very worried because they ask questions concerning the way in which the EU will follow".

"We must be aware that those who observe us from afar are worried. We have seen and heard many leaders of other planets are very worried because they ask questions concerning the way in which the EU will follow. So we must insure Europeans as well as those who observe us from afar, "said Juncker.

then we have report into EU lack of innovation:
not only does Europe have fewer VC firms than the US, it also has fewer big, multibillion-dollar VC firms, which are able to invest in startups all the way up to IPO....I WONDER WHY?

"Over the past decade, digital sovereignty discourses have permeated the EU government and gained traction in various policy areas, including cybersecurity. EU policy makers appear to believe that Europe can only be secure in the digital space if it is sovereign."

It's all about having sovereign power over Apple and hi tech, just as it is has overridden sovereign power of its member nations.
 
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So, your remedy is that instead of competing fairly by making a better browser, it is fine if Apple cripples its competition so that they cannot be better and in fact worse because it has to be built on webkit with many restrictions on top of that? That is your definition of fairness? You want to defend the right of a company to do this without questioning it?
So, you’re now defending a monopoly?

If Chrome has a monopoly, untethered, but you feel it’s because no one else has come up with a better alternative…you’re now ok with monopolies?

Because it sounds like Chrome could be an actual monopoly in its larger sphere, unlike iOS in its larger sphere.
 
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Apple had more than a decade to make a better browser and keep Chrome off Ios or MacOS. Instead of that, it chose to cripple the competition. Now Apple has nobody to blame but itself.
That's nice and all but doesn't address my complaint that this will yield a Chrome monopoly.

I argue that the reason the web coalesces around Chrome is not just because of competitive reasons, but also because Chrome is able to essentially dictate the newest web standards and other browsers are less able to ensure compatibility which makes it harder for them to compete fairly.

Browsers (safari, Firefox, chrome, etc...) should be required to adhere to web standards and Chrome should not have the outsized power it does in dictating new web standards. If that were the case then it would not be harmful to competition to allow Chrome rendering engine on the iPhone. As it stands, this decision will hurt competition in the browser rendering engine space.
 
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I think the bigger picture is more concerning.

Let the consumer choose, if you want to live in Apple's ecosystem that is up to then, if you want to go elsewhere thats up to you. It's called freedom.

You mean like back in the 1990s when consumers could choose Windows or go with Mac OS, OS/2, Linux, BeOS, etc.? That didn't stop the DOJ from going after Microsoft/Windows.

Simply having options does not negate antitrust laws.
 
This be free to do what you want falls apart because you are free to do whatever you want with your phone. Apple is not obliged to help you. There is a world of difference.
It's not about helping me, but they actively prevent me from using my phone as I want. Just look at the new iPhones, which have a replaceable glass back, but those glass backs have a chip that prevents third party manufacturers to replace them.

As a photographer I have the same problem with Canon at the moment. They brought out their new RF mount for mirrorless cameras five years ago, but unlike other manufacturers they stop third party companies from producing lenses for the RF mount. So you buy a new Canon camera for up to $5,999 and Canon tells you what lenses you may or may not use.

The Lightning cable also was only a move by Apple to force customers to pay even more money for Apple products. How can customers applaud such a decision?
 
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Exactly!


Apple could play chicken with the politicians. Imagine them withholding next year's iPhone release, but only in the EU. Those politicians would have an inferno lit under their asses to step off.
Let’s see if Apple ever does that to EU in the coming two years.
Spoiler alert, they won’t. Why lose gigantic money for this sort of trivial legal inconvenience?
 
This is something I think that EU regulators don't get - right now there is virtually no competition in browsers because Chrome has a near monopoly - you're completely right that the only thing that prevents a complete chrome monopoly is Safari on iOS...

Not sure abut the EU specifically, but according to Statcounter Chrome has about 59% share of the mobile browser market in Europe while Safari has around 31%. In the U.S., Safari has around 52% while Chrome has 42%.
 
How about "The next job for Ford and other Big Auto Makers is to open up its gates to competitors. Be it the engine, entertainment systems or dealerships, consumers using an Ford vehicle should be able to benefit from competitive services by a range of providers."?

Governments that hate the degree of privacy offered by any company should be greeted with utter contempt, then changed.
 
If Steve Jobs was still alive and heard that as argument to why Apple should open their hardware and software back up, he would’ve likely punched that person in the mouth.

Steve Jobs killed the Macintosh clone program for reason. And it helped Apple experience its renaissance.

If Apple was forced to open up both hardware and software, they would rather pull out of EU market entirely. (And they can afford to, they got Asia and the Americas which is alone enough to still cover its cash needs. And Apple board would likely approve the move if necessary)
This demonstrates how advanced the EU is in technology (NOT), so the idea they foster innovation when making millions of rules to thwart it, is just nuts.

"The EU has spent nearly $500 million on technology to fight climate change—with little to show for it"​

 
Why doesn’t the EU just tap into the huge font of technical expertise in the EU and build the companies with the vision they want? Likely, because it’s hard to do so with the regulations they have in place.
They did....

The EU has spent nearly $500 million on technology to fight climate change—with little to show for it!!​

 
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I think the bigger picture is more concerning.

Let the consumer choose, if you want to live in Apple's ecosystem that is up to then, if you want to go elsewhere thats up to you. It's called freedom. The EU is entirely against the concept and more and more laws are destroying innovation, liberty and ultimately making people more stupid. It's the heavy down, heavy handed approach that more laws mean's better, it doesn't. What we want it less laws but higher quality laws, and people free to pick where they put their hard earned (and often very little left of) money.
There is a reason why US is not considered the best country in the world to live in, because of all the “FREEDOM” you guys get.

Let customer choose. Choose what? They have next to no input on what next iPhone should be. Or any phone for that matter.

What do you mean “higher quality laws”? You can’t reduce the complexity of the real world, period. Eventually more laws will be introduced to combat the emerging trend. That’s just how it works.
 
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