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Apple should just sell two versions of the iPhone. One has access to Apple's App Store and the other is wide open and doesn't. Customers decide which one they want. If you want Apple's walled garden and Apple's watchdog over privacy, choose the App Store version. If you want to just install anything, you get the open version but with no access to the App Store and Apple doesn't monitor what applications do. You have to buy your software from online vendors. Problem solved.
 
"I think customers will not give up neither security nor privacy if they use another app store or if they sideload."

This is pretty laughable. Of course there is more risk to both security and privacy if you are side loading apps. That doesn't mean something bad will happen, but there is more risk - clearly.
It’s ok, they know better. So much so that if something bad or risky happens, I will go directly to them to solve those issues instead of Apple since it’s their forced proposed changes and paradigms. Right? right…
 
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Apple should just sell two versions of the iPhone. One has access to Apple's App Store and the other is wide open and doesn't. Customers decide which one they want. If you want Apple's walled garden and Apple's watchdog over privacy, choose the App Store version. If you want to just install anything, you get the open version but with no access to the App Store and Apple doesn't monitor what applications do. You have to buy your software from online vendors. Problem solved.
I would so get behind this idea, even myself I’m wondering which one I would get put that way, probably the AppStore one for the convenience, auto-update, auto-backup, all synced devices, etc… but heck, can even see some people gettong both, one for the personal sensitive stuff and one for free for all.
 
These are the same meddling bureaucrat buffoons who enforced cookie prompts on every bloody website, completely ruining your online browsing experience.
They could have enforced nothing but needed cookies, but they loved ripping off data for commerce too much.
 
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Apple and Google and Microsoft and Sony and Valve/Steam and Epic Games all need to be monitored to do the right thing.

Privacy is not an excuse but a certain principle that needs to be held.

When the officials of any government truly understand, they will have a smaller problem with any of this. They want their own privacy and they probably want privacy for the people they're supposed to protect. However, they're too eager to say that they know the alternative is safe.
Which just like every government in the world, only varies in how much they are willing to cave in and shove their own political bs propaganda into everyone’s throat.
I was reading a book recently and the author says egalitarianism was the main value during ancient times before agriculture and society. Look at the world we are right now.
 
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“The important thing here is, of course, that it's not a shield against competition, because I think customers will not give up neither security nor privacy if they use another app store or if they sideload.”

huh. Sure sounds like the EU has reached a judgement before the trial is over. Sure seems unbiased to me!
 
These morons are trying to undo Apple’s layers of protections one by one, to great detriment for the consumer.

Also, they’re actively trying to limit consumer’s choice, by forcing everyone into the insecure Android paradigm
Giving iOS device users the option and personal choice to get their apps from outside of Apple's app store is limiting consumer choice?

The irony is lost on you.
 
Absolutely, the reality is though that Apple have locked vendors (e.g. Tile) out of the Ecosystem unless they pay the Apple tax which also also weakens security.
In order to "lock Tile" out of the ecosystem, all Apple had to do was

1) Invent the iPhone, Watch, HomePod, AirTags and iPad
2) Make 15 iterations of the operating system
3) Invent the Mac
3) Make a gazillion iterations of the operating system.
4) Get all of those devices and OSes to communicate together.
5) Develop their own UWB chip for use in their devices
6) Manufacture iPhones with that UWB chip
7) Create an app store
8) Make the OS able to communicate in the background, seamlessly, and without reducing privacy in order to disseminate the location of UWB devices, and that can notify users when they've left the devices or the devices have left them, in real time.
9) Engineer a device with a UWB chip that can communicate with iOS and MacOS.
10) Install a massive server farm to process all of the data of all of the devices in order to track the AirTags
11) Create a mapping tool that allows them to determine the location of the devices and show them on a map

Sure you can say that not inviting competitors to share your product technology is anti-competitive, but that's how markets work. If Tile wanted a system for doing what the AirTags do, all they had to do was all the things Apple did to create theirs.

Also, how does paying the "Apple Tax" weaken security? You're describing licensing, and companies have licensed technology forever.

What part of Tile not being given Apple's whole feature set in their key fobs is reducing the security of either Apple or Tile
 
These politicians are dumb. Every time I hear any politician talk about tech they sound so ignorant. Apple having a closed environment isn’t anticompetitiv. The competition is Android. If users want a More open architecture they have the freedom to buy something else.
 
My fear is a major "digital goods" provider (like Netflix, Amazon, Microsoft) might just force us to do so by dropping their official Apple App Store app in favor of a side-loaded one that gives them more control over payments and customer information mining.
Netflix already has control over payments. You cannot subscribe to Netflix through their app; You have to do so through their website.

Amazon already gathers a lot of data about you (more than you're aware of apparently) when you browse and shop with their app or website.
 
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I really don’t understand all the counter arguments.

Nobody will be forced to use alternative app stores so your data will not be compromised if you don’t use this option.

That what this all this is about. Giving users a choice. Just like you can basically buy every product out there in other stores at different priced and sales. Sometimes it seems people over here all have a large quantity of Apple stock. Cause all this is about profit. Nothing else.
Except for the fact that every app will jump ship and list their app separately. Outside of the App Store. Purely from a price point perspective. Why wouldn’t they, do avoid the 15% (30%) commission?

Which, if every app does that will leave the iOS App Store as barren as the Mac App Store is. Which also opens up for malware (even unintentionally bundled with apps) to be installed. Malware exists on the Mac. It doesn’t on the App Store. This is a huge privacy/security issue because of how much personal/financial/health data is on our phones. Not to mention our literal location as we move around in our day.
 
I agree, privacy and security is a way to draw consumers but not a reason to block competitors. Apple rallies behind these to block competition since some developers will likely leave because of the privacy requirements and other arbitrary rules imposed on developers.
 
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There will be apps that will force you to sideload if the option is available. Don't be ignorant in thinking that there aren't a handful of popular apps that will jump at the chance to be outside of Apple's control if given the option. If sideloading is made to be an allowable option it will be impossible to stick exclusively to the App Store unless you are someone who barely uses your phone for anything.
You honestly believe an app developer will abandon the Apple app store and miss out on the opportunity to reach the over 1.65 billion devices in use if people are given the chance to sideload?

Delusional 🤣
 
Instead of ruining Apple Vestager better ask herself why the EU does not have an Amazon, Google, Facebook, Apple and the States DO.
 
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Apple should just sell two versions of the iPhone. One has access to Apple's App Store and the other is wide open and doesn't. Customers decide which one they want. If you want Apple's walled garden and Apple's watchdog over privacy, choose the App Store version. If you want to just install anything, you get the open version but with no access to the App Store and Apple doesn't monitor what applications do. You have to buy your software from online vendors. Problem solved.

Why do they need to sell an open version of the iPhone when people who want open software can just buy an Android phone. There are literally countless options that they can buy if someone doesn't want a walled garden but only 1 option if they do. It's madness that the government and idiots are trying to eliminate that choice because they don't like how popular and profitable it has proven to be.
 
Why do they need to sell an open version of the iPhone when people who want open software can just buy an Android phone. There are literally countless options that they can buy if someone doesn't want a walled garden but only 1 option if they do. It's madness that the government and idiots are trying to eliminate that choice because they don't like how popular and profitable it has proven to be.
To get these idiot politicians off their back. Apple simply disclaims all software responsibility for anyone stupid enough to want the open version. Apple warranties the hardware but software support is now the customer's problem.
 
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