Because you want usb-c ergo Apple is greedy? Because I want lightning Apple is doing the right thing?
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EU Lawmakers Vote Overwhelmingly in Favor of Common Charging Standard, Despite Apple's Protestations [Updated]
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I see both sides of this argument.
I'll be happy if this forces Apple to stop with the proprietary BS, and we finally get one port to rule them all.
I also don't like the idea of the government mandating something like this if, IF it hampers innovation. I'm thinking this really means that before companies implement proprietary connectors, they either need to share it with the rest of the industry to push everything forward together. There should also be a predetermined transitional period established.
Lightning is tiny and tighter than USB-C, but maybe Apple got greedy with the licensing? I honestly don't know. It could've been the best port, but it doesn't matter now I guess. Today, USB-C/TB3 is where it's at.
Hopefully, this forces companies to move forward from there TOGETHER.
I'll be happy if this forces Apple to stop with the proprietary BS, and we finally get one port to rule them all.
I also don't like the idea of the government mandating something like this if, IF it hampers innovation. I'm thinking this really means that before companies implement proprietary connectors, they either need to share it with the rest of the industry to push everything forward together. There should also be a predetermined transitional period established.
Lightning is tiny and tighter than USB-C, but maybe Apple got greedy with the licensing? I honestly don't know. It could've been the best port, but it doesn't matter now I guess. Today, USB-C/TB3 is where it's at.
Hopefully, this forces companies to move forward from there TOGETHER.
If you are actually questioning Apples greed at this point there can be no coherent conversation between us. For you are lost.
…except there is a port on the Watch, and Apple’s the only one with official access to it (not that it’s impossible to reverse engineer). It’d be the same setup on an iPhone; otherwise, if an iOS update renders an iPhone unusable — like several beta and release watchOS updates have done for some users — there’d be no way for anyone to recover it. Also, in the case of that kind of incident, you can’t fix it yourself by connecting to a computer; you have to send it to Apple to get a working phone again.
If you think law enforcement and intelligence agencies and data forensics companies wouldn’t immediately begin reverse engineering an “Apple-only” diagnostic port for an iPhone such that they could still brute-force passcodes and get into phones, well…
I can’t believe all the comments I’m reading that think this is a good idea. The industry has been self-regulating just fine while continuing to have the freedom and ability to innovate. USBc sounds just fine right now, but it will be ancient in 5 years. Apple is 100% right on this.
Way to miss the point. An Apple Watch might not be very useful to you, but how do you know unless you've actually tried one?
I, along with millions of others (being the most popular smartwatch in the world by far) find the Apple Watch very useful, and for more than just health.
You sound like my kids when they were 5 and I offered them some new food to try:
"I don't like fish."
"How do you know? You've never tried it before."
"I don't need to try it - I know I don't like it."
If it was that dominant it would rule the world. It's not.
I think liking something and finding it useful can be two separate things. I absolutely love iPad Pro but I have no real use case for one and hence I don't own one. Same goes for the Watch
Where's your source that this is only about the charger side? Everything I've read from the EU sounds like they're talking about the device end. Otherwise, why would they complain there are currently 3 "standards" (Lightining, Micro USB and USB-C)?
Just because you can't imagine a better solution than USB-C is a bad reason. 30 years ago no one could imagine a computer needing more than 2MB of memory. It's a very very bad precedent to lock the industry into a specific standard that will be outdated before you know it.
Imagine a paper thin device or transparent screen invented 5 years from now. Maybe there's a new extremely small connector to be invented to pair with that amazing device. But thanks to the USB-C requirement, no device can be sold without a USB-C connector, so therefore no device can be sold that's thinner than today's USB C connector.
If you are correct in understanding it differently from the rest of us... how do you explain this quote from the article: ?
There has NEVER been an Apple charging brick with lightning port (obviously...the cables would have to be lightning on both sides for it to work!), they have always been USB-A, and now on select models (iPad/iPhone Pro) USB-C.
If it really were as you two think... & the only thing asked was that ALL bricks now must be USB-C, umm... how did Apple just testify this decision would “stifle innovation”? That doesn’t make sense in your version. Further, the above quote would also make no sense... there would be no vote necessary on the three choices of usb-c, micro, & lightning- were this law to not affect that side of the cable.
They are talking about mandatory ports on phones, not just change the socket of the wall adapter.
So deprecating the lightning standard doesn't affect existing customers. They can still make lightning cables for them.
Changing the standard hurts current users far less than software updates they can't install on their devices, making them obsolete.
Changing the standard hurts current users far less than software updates they can't install on their devices, making them obsolete.
Maybe they understand about the damage to the environment instead?
It should be standard. USBA has three different versions using the same plug, of course you can have improvements as this proves.
Boo hoo, my phone won't charge quickly enough.
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Don't give them ideas - better hope they don't read your post.
Lightning connection port is a lot stronger and much more durable than USB-C
Will they be able to? If the law says you must have a usb-c port, then it seems like you won't be able to have an entirely wireless device.
This is a resolution called “Common charger for mobile radio equipment”, review it yourselves:
JOINT MOTION FOR A RESOLUTION on a common charger for mobile radio equipment | RC-B9-0070/2020 | European Parliament
JOINT MOTION FOR A RESOLUTION pursuant to Rule 132(2) and (4) of the Rules of Procedure replacing the following motions: B9-0070/2020 (PPE) B9-0072/2020 (S&D) B9-0074/2020 (Verts/ALE) B9-0075/2020 (Renew) B9-0076/2020 (GUE/NGL) B9-0085/2020 (ECR) on a common charger for mobile radio equipment...
This is why nobody else is reporting it. It’s just about chargers, it’s not even controversial. Apple won’t be allowed to bundle USB-A chargers anymore in the EU, that’s the only change for them. They’ve already made that change with the iPhone 11 Pro.
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Not in my experience. In fact I now use wireless charging and it's not for convenience it's just to prevent me having to plug it in and wearing it out.
It can sell a proprietary Apple dongle.
Let's not forget all the complaining when Apple switched from 30 pin to lighting. This will be fun.
I read that - it's pretty vague and generic.
Here's another one. Click on the link to see their impact assessment of switching.
Here's one page from this document:
Clearly there are scenarios being considered which would require Apple to change iPhones to USB-C. I'm sure Apple will be pushing a scenario that allows them to continue to use Lightning on the iPhone and worse case is requiring them to also provide an additional adaptor.
You hear wrong. Firstly, in respect of iPhones Apple won't be making special connectors for the UK. Secondly, the UK won't be able to sell equipment to the EU (our largest single market) unless it has a CE logo and conforms to standards set by the EU. Unfortunately, from 11pm tonight UK will have no say on what those standards are.
I think this is a great idea. There are far too many chargers. I keep finding cables and adapters around here that I have no clue what they might go to. The manufacturers should have labeled them, but very few do. Apple can come up with a USB-C to Lightning cable/adapter. Wait, they already do!
I remember the EU tried to get a standardized notebook battery too. I never heard how that went. It's maddening to be looking for a replacement battery for a perfectly good notebook and find out that no one makes the battery anymore. Not that it probably enters into the Apple world, but I can imagine some of the older Apple notebooks don't have batteries available any longer.
I remember the EU tried to get a standardized notebook battery too. I never heard how that went. It's maddening to be looking for a replacement battery for a perfectly good notebook and find out that no one makes the battery anymore. Not that it probably enters into the Apple world, but I can imagine some of the older Apple notebooks don't have batteries available any longer.