EU Lawmakers Vote Overwhelmingly in Favor of Common Charging Standard, Despite Apple's Protestations [Updated]
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You need exactly the same amount of cables to charge the apple watch. Just different.
Well, the wireless charger would have the USB-C?.
If manufacturer would just do how the USB-C specs are saying, no one would have problems (Rpi 4 fiasco).
MEJHarrison
macrumors 68000
So your solution to all the waste is to introduce yet more junk into the equation? There's too much waste as it is, so go buy more little plastic bits? I either toss cables that are perfectly fine, or I keep those cables and purchase even more crap that will ultimately become waste? How on earth does this help?
That was just one small aspect of a much bigger list of issues.
A trade union over-reaching and enforcing legal policy & laws they have no reason to do so was just as big a reason.
It most certainly is not. The lightning cable is thinner, snaps in better, and is less prone to lint getting in the hole. In fact, usb-c is only superior in one way which is power delivery and that's really not that big of a deal for a phone. I pretty much only charge wirelessly by putting the phone on my nightstand and that's been more than enough. You know they're just going to go wireless-only if you force their hand, right?
Jesus Christ, people.
PickUrPoison
macrumors G3
Lightning does support USB-C PD 🙂
beanbaguk
macrumors 65816
Is it so hard to do your own research?
https://www.google.com/search?q=lightning+cable+vs+usb+c
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Not strictly true. It supports lower speed data transmission, but does not support full speed, nor the power capacity of USB-C.
PickUrPoison
macrumors G3
No. As I said, Lightning does support USB-C PD.
You can fast charge the following iPhone and iPad models when connected to an Apple 18W, 29W, 30W, 61W, 87W, or 96W USB-C Power Adapter:
- iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and later
- iPad Pro 12.9-inch (1st generation and later)
- iPad Pro 10.5-inch (2nd gen)
- iPad Pro 11-inch (3rd gen)
- iPad Air (3rd generation)
- iPad mini (5th generation)
re: data transfer speeds, that has nothing to do with the PD spec. But Lightning can support up to USB 3.1 Gen 1 speeds (5 Gbps) on iPad Pro depending on the model (some are USB 2.0). iPhones only support USB 2.0 speeds, no iPhone supports USB 3 afaik.
cocky jeremy
macrumors 604
Free market. If a company is soooo terrible, people will stop using them and better alternatives will come along.
Gerard Campeau
macrumors newbie
We build off grid generators using thermoelectric Technology. Take heat and directly convert to DC power for LED and cell phone charging IPOWERTOWER
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Which new iphones since 2012 have had a different charging protocol?
MEJHarrison
macrumors 68000
It might ease their frustration if you were to inform them that all new phones come with a new cable and charger. Just tell them to dig a little deeper into the box.
I'd also look for a smarter client base if that's an option. Sounds like you're working with some real dummies.
AndyMacAndMic
macrumors 65816
TopherMan12
macrumors 6502a
I don't want lawmakers choosing tech standards. Not even a little bit. What happens when a better standard comes around?
"Prior to 2009, the Commission considered mandating that all smartphones use only USB Micro-B connectors which would have restricted the advancement to Lightning and USB Type-C. Instead, the Commission established a voluntary, industry standards-based approach that saw the market shift from 30 chargers down to 3, soon to be two -- Lightning and USB-C, showing this approach does work. "
Exactly.
"Prior to 2009, the Commission considered mandating that all smartphones use only USB Micro-B connectors which would have restricted the advancement to Lightning and USB Type-C. Instead, the Commission established a voluntary, industry standards-based approach that saw the market shift from 30 chargers down to 3, soon to be two -- Lightning and USB-C, showing this approach does work. "
Exactly.
Gerard Campeau
macrumors newbie
You know ignorance is bliss! My clients are smart and technical. Unlike you who knows only to say bad things and cast stones!You rae obviously and Apple groupie. If you only know how they control there customers with technology, you tune would change. All we are saying is we spent better part of a year circumventing the specialized charging protocol. Ever notice that IF you ever buy a $4 Generaic charger it doesn't work on Apple product!! Then you have to go spend 30 to 40 on their charges. Doesn't that make you wonder at all how they have you by the short and curlies !
ItchyRat2160
macrumors regular
The Apple Lightning Connector was introduced Sept 2012. USB-C spec was published in Aug 2014. So it's safe to say they were both in development at the same time, and Apple would have known this.
TopherMan12
macrumors 6502a
That's just not true. I've used multitudes of chargers, generic or otherwise, on all my iPhones in the past and they work fine. Why wouldn't they? It is a standard USB port on the charger. Not sure what you are talking about here.
Nope, never noticed this.
I use non-apple USB charger ports all the time. I don't think I've used an Apple branded phone charger in years.
Why are you making plainly false claims?
Per the following articles it seems that USB Type-C was initially submitted in 2012, a concept in July 2013, and finalized spec in August 2014.
With Lightning hitting store shelves in September 2012, the tooling and production line setup would've been occurring in the months prior. So while USB Type-C and Lightning may have overlapped somewhat, it would appear to be an overlap of production-ready vs initial-idea.
Did Apple invent USB Type-C? Maybe a little bit - 9to5Mac
Yesterday on his Talk Show podcast, Daring Fireball’s John Gruber suggested that his Apple sources told him that Apple invented USB...
9to5mac.com
MEJHarrison
macrumors 68000
Since I'm getting the feeling that there's a language barrier here, I'll ask the obvious. What do you mean by "circumventing the specialized charging protocol"? Why circumvent anything? Why not use the included accessories for charging? Do new phones not come with new charging cables in your country (honest question)?
Never noticed that. I have so many spare Apple charging cables and charging blocks, I don't need a $4 cable (because I get new ones with every device purchase). The couple of times I've tried a cheap cable in the past, they were trash that didn't last a month. Apple's cables might be nearly 10x the price, but they last 10x longer too. In my experience of course.
I7guy
macrumors Westmere
Hyperbole. Ymmv and many, many customers disagreed with this assessment.
ItchyRat2160
macrumors regular
Per the following articles it seems that USB Type-C was initially submitted in 2012, a concept in July 2013, and finalized spec in August 2014.
With Lightning hitting store shelves in September 2012, the tooling and production line setup would've been occurring in the months prior. So while USB Type-C and Lightning may have overlapped somewhat, it would appear to be an overlap of production-ready vs initial-idea.
Did Apple invent USB Type-C? Maybe a little bit - 9to5Mac
Yesterday on his Talk Show podcast, Daring Fireball’s John Gruber suggested that his Apple sources told him that Apple invented USB...
Yes that’s what I said.
TheIntruder
macrumors 68000
Per the following articles it seems that USB Type-C was initially submitted in 2012, a concept in July 2013, and finalized spec in August 2014.
With Lightning hitting store shelves in September 2012, the tooling and production line setup would've been occurring in the months prior. So while USB Type-C and Lightning may have overlapped somewhat, it would appear to be an overlap of production-ready vs initial-idea.
Did Apple invent USB Type-C? Maybe a little bit - 9to5Mac
Yesterday on his Talk Show podcast, Daring Fireball’s John Gruber suggested that his Apple sources told him that Apple invented USB...
Apple filed the patent for the Lightning connector in January 2012, and as you note, it reached consumer hands in September 2012.
Type-C was publicly announced in December 2013, first renderings revealed April 2014, finalized in August 2014, sampled in September 2014, and hit CES 2015. Apple shipped the 12" Macbook in April 2015 which was one of first products to employ Type-C. It also took some slings and arrows for making it the only connector, similar to what it experienced with USB-A and the original iMac.
One clearly came before the other, and whatever overlap exists between the development of the two is manifested mostly in the fact that Apple is a board member of the USB-IF (then Promoters Group), and assigned engineers to contribute to the project.
What most seem to miss is that Apple had a hand developing both, and employs both in its products. It also has its own criteria as to which connector is suitable for which product, and clearly doesn't feel compelled to use Type-C where it doesn't feel it provides enough benefits over the existing design, short of government regulation.