Damn! I wish we’d stayed in a political union, passing laws for me, dictating to me, snouts in the trough, so that I could save 50p on a call to my mum to tell her it’s sunny in Spain….
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I just cannot believe people still sprout this nonsense after all these years. I mean, this has all been rebuked numerous times and here you are, still acting like it's early 2016 and you know nothing.
"The EU" "dictates" to no one. "The EU" makes its decisions exclusively via legitimately elected representatives, both through national governments and through elected MEPs.
And on critical matters each national member government even has a veto. There was never any relevant EU regulation against the will of the UK government of the time and even majority votes(!) actually almost never failed to include the UK government.
That whole fiction of the EU "dictating" is completely made up from whole cloth like all the rest of the lies.
Well, actually, Brexit has now stripped the UK of any power in the EU so the UK now has no recourse any more and just has to live with whatever the present EU members democratically decide among themselves, so ironically it's Brexit itself which has made that Brexit lie an actual Brexit reality exactly because of leaving the EU.
With the utterly corrupt UK government at this time you have no legs to stand on with this; And by comparison to the national budgets the EU budget is tiny overall, and with actually better oversight than the UK's as is becoming increasingly clear.
That you're now getting screwed again by your mobile providers is not the worst part (ask your fishermen!), but your main problem is that there aren't even any good parts to compensate. Completely made-up fictitious nonsense is the only thing that you have left to justify this exercise in futility and decline.
The EU is about as far from direct democracy as you can get. You know this, but seem to embrace it, for some reason. Your point about UK politicians being corrupt is fair, but suggesting we should tolerate more of them in the EU because of this seems a little off….
Most people voted out to rid themselves of more political influence over us. When Remainers finally get this, we can move on.
And we get Frost, Lebedev, Goldsmith, Tufton Street, Murdoch, Barclay brother, really is a long list. UK was played like a cheap violin by well connected people with a lot of money. It was an advertising campaign that worked, is all it ever was.
Wonder what year we rejoin. Of course what power we had will never be the same. Probably have to adopt the euro as well.
Remember the vote %, that will tell you it was a close run thing and should never have been decided on such.
I think you’ve been listening to a little too much James O’Brien, but if it helps, go with it. We wont rejoin. In fact the EU will collapse before we ever think about it.
Seems the salty losers still don't like living in a democratic UK.
Must suck to be them..
Must suck to be them..
It will ends! The house of cards might soon collapse.
The life before 2019 is not coming back!
Is Lebedev not in the house of Lords put there by Johnson (we assume)? Along with Goldsmith? Murdoch not pulling the strings and using influence with his media empire (phone hacking and all that and other sleazy stuff going on to direct the narrative, recent Miller settlement is interesting)? Frost still at sea in something he claimed to create? Brexit sunny up lands reached yet (roaming charges a small part of the slide)? Barcley brother in there somewhere with the Telegraph, really is a Deep sea of swill with who is who on this government and don't need to listen to a radio show to know it (no blinkers see, I don't have any).
Lebedev, that the same one that Johnson ditched his security detail to run off to a party at his gaff in Italy and owns a UK newspaper. Also his dad is KGB (or claimed ex but I doubt that you ever leave fully without repercussions).
When the UK needed a decent government, we didn't even get the B team, we got the clowns that pitched up on the field next door, just we don't know who the ring master is.
What has shocked me since the vote is their absolute devotion to a political empire. They seem to crave direction and adore politicians whilst simultaneously loathing the UK and her representatives. Very strange indeed but I suspect that social media has given a voice to the pub bore who sits in the corner nursing a pint whilst mouthing off and being ignored….
Five years after the vote, and you still can’t take your dog for a dump on the beach. The one good thing about Brexit is that cafes are now crying out for staff, now that there’s nobody left to do the work. They’re offering £1,000 golden hello for anyone willing to sign up. Not so good if you’re a cafe owner, though.
Actually the EU is more democratic than the UK, but don't let facts get in your way.
Who is dictating?
The UK had a veto over anything that was proposed in the European Parliament.
The UK ELECTED representatives made the decisions.
Depends how you count as to “democratic” winners and losers.
Scotland, Gibraltar, Northern Ireland all voted to remain, yet have been forced to leave purely because of Northern England and Wales. Is that democratic? The majority of nations voted to remain.
It terms of being a “salty loser” that’s entirely not the case. I learned to accept the result a long time ago, but it doesn’t mean I have to like it. I’m fortunate and privileged enough to have a career that’s leaves me pretty much unaffected by this decision. It is unlikely to cause me any hardship.
However, you have to accept the irony that many of the places which voted to leave were the places who benefited most from the EU. Cornwall for example, voted leave, then petitioned the government to maintain the funding they received from the EU ?♂️
This referendum was never about the union for Wales and Northern England. There was no care or consideration for the pros and cons, it was purely a class vote.
When people complain about the UK government, the only thing I hear is that they don’t understand representative democracy.
In my constituency it has had a conservative MP for many years, they lived local, had their office local. They have had 2 train stations refurbished, traffic issues rectified, brought many businesses to the area. At the most recent elections everybody voted labour, we now have a labour MP that lives in London 200 miles away, wasn’t born or raised in the area and has no idea about local issues. But they were voted in because it was “conservative vs labour”.
Locals complain that they got Boris as a PM who they didn’t vote for. Yet they did get their MP who they DID vote for, but now complain that there’s no improvements.
If your constituency has their representative then that’s all that matters really, people should stop voting purely based on what party they’re from and more on what they can do.
I would expect much of the roaming usage on on telco A by telco B users credited against telco B user roaming usage on Telco A, so all that remains is any excess after the credits.
I suspect they will eventually leave the UK and possibly return to the EU at some point.
Direct democracy is provably broken even if you can get it to work perfectly as intended. Nobody uses that for a reason.
What you seem to want is for the UK not to answer to the mainland. Best of luck with that (I'm not sarcastic).
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Hopefully Brexit will be a wakeup call to the EU to save itself. Quit abusing power to enforce this pointless crap, and focus on what actually matters at the global scale: trade, security, immigration, and the environment. Europe will crumble without a higher governing body, and something much more oppressive will pick up the pieces.
That has nothing to do with Brexit, but with the economy! The economy has collapsed in 2008, now they're just pull the plug out
The US national debt is 29,116,600,480,401 trillion dollar
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True, out of many reasons why UK leaving the EU was a terrible choice for its citizens, this one is relatively minor.
I’ve been hearing something similar for the past two decades, and yet…