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I just think we are doing it again. It’s happening again.

Some very vocal people got very angry when the transition from 30-pin to Lightning happened. And some very vocal people got very angry when the 3.5mm headphone jack was removed. But... none of those very vocal people care anymore, lol. Or if those very vocal people still do care for some reason, none of us care to listen to them anymore, lol.

Eventually (whether it is the EU mandating it or Apple-itself just deciding on it’s own), the Lightning port will go away. Apple isn’t going to use the Lightning port forever. There will be something else (or there will be nothing else — port-less iPhones). Some very vocal people will get very angry when that does happen. The rest of us will just move on because that’s what you do with technology.

And I understand some people are very angry specifically about a government mandating the change. I understand that. But also understand that some people just like to be very angry about things, lol.
Anger is where it's at. Nothing gets people more interested in a subject than good ole fashioned emotion.
 
I fully support this. Everything else in the house uses USB-C, even my damn iPad. There's zero good reason for Apple not to do this other than being greedy for the accessory dollars. If they won't do the right thing, let the EU force them.
I’m all for one standard (USB-C), but come again in 25 years when that standard is hopelessly outdated and hobbling future tech…
 
There's a million reasons why this is a bad move. USB-C is a far from decent standard and to mandate that all devices use it going forward is a stupid idea. In fact the standard is basically a crapfest of every other legacy standard thrown into one poorly designed connector shell and negotiation protocol.

Some examples:

  1. The USB-C connectors are far more difficult to replace than equivalents due to the masked row of contacts on the header and the mechanical design that actually tears the copper off the PCB substrate meaning the device is 100% irreparable afterwards.
  2. The PD capabilities versus cable and charger is an absolute minefield of dog crap to stand in and some cables can actually blow your device up if you terminate the CC pairs on adapter cables incorrectly as the charger will deliver more voltage than the TVS diodes can handle.
  3. There are serious security concerns if you can negotiate thunderbolt protocol from an implanted charger. I mean what could possibly go wrong using an untrusted charger that can negotiate system PCIe bus access...
But I digress. Every objection I've made to USB-C since its inception has been responded to by BUT ITS GOT ELECTROLYTES.

The future we have is a tyranny of moronic standards enforced by moronic regulators pushing us all to the lowest common denominator of capability and security.
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This is great news. Slowly and steady! There is hope. I have a feeling Apple will move towards portless iPhones and iPads in the near future. We are not far off.
Thats the problem"Slow and steady", what happens when USB D comes out and is better. Now manufactures have to keep supporting an old standard, and adoption of a new tech can't happen.
 
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This is going to be a mess. The next standard will come along and it'll take years and years to adopt it because they won't bother to pass new legislation to update things.

It's rarely good when government regulates tech. It generally leads to holding everything back.
Does the EU actually do anything except for fining American companies and now they think they know how to run a company than the company does. Politics need to be kept out of companies businesses. Like here in the US I’m sure the EU has never turned a profit. Who cares about if it is 2 different ports or not. I grab the cable I need and away I go. Honestly how many people here have cables out the wazoo lightening port usb c port maybe an old 30 pin dock connectors even.
 
You've got to remember that non-tech people don't think like us. 99% of people will be furious when Apple switches the iPhone to USB-C because now all of their accessories and 800 lightning cables they have accumulated will all be worthless. And the EU claims this will REDUCE ewaste??? It's creating tons of it!
What are you talking about? Even people who only use Apple devices will already have USB-C, whether it's because of a Mac or an iPad. Not to mention all the people who use a Logitech mouse, Sony headphones or a PC... This will help us get rid of the need of maintaining a separate special "iPhone cable", hence reducing e-waste.
 


Members of the European Parliament this week voted overwhelmingly in support of legislation that will compel Apple to offer a USB-C port on all iPhones, iPads, and AirPods in Europe.

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The proposal, known as a directive, will force all consumer electronics manufacturers who sell devices in Europe to ensure that all new phones, tablets, laptops, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, handheld videogame consoles, and portable speakers feature a USB-C port, regardless of the manufacturer. Exemptions will only apply for devices that are too small to offer a USB-C port, such as smart watches, health trackers, and some sports equipment. This "common port" would be a world first and impact Apple in particular since it widely uses the Lightning connector instead of USB-C on many of its devices.


The Internal Market and Consumer Protection Committee voted to support the legislation on Wednesday, with 43 votes in favor and just two against. In a press release, MEPs claimed that the move will reduce electronic waste, address product sustainability, and make use of different devices more convenient.

MEPs also expressed a wish to see clear information and labelling on new devices about their charging options, as well as whether or nor a product includes a charger. They claim that this will help to avoid confusion and ease purchasing decisions for consumers that own several devices and do not always need additional chargers. Apple removed the charger from all new iPhone models starting with the iPhone 12 in 2020.

In addition, MEPs want the European Commission to present a strategy for ensuring interoperability between wireless charging solutions by 2026 to prevent fragmentation and reduce waste, ensure user convenience, and avoid consumers getting locked into proprietary charging solutions. It is not clear if this would include Apple's MagSafe charging system for the iPhone and AirPods, since it is based on the Qi wireless charging standard.

In 2018, the European Commission tried to reach a final resolution on the issue but it failed to come into law. At the time, Apple warned that forcing a common charging port on the industry would stifle innovation and create electronic waste as consumers were forced to switch to new cables. The EU's effort resumed last year, with the European Commission spearheading a refreshed version of the directive. To come into effect, the European Parliament must approve the draft legislation next month, before talking with individual EU member states about the final directive.

Article Link: EU Moves One Step Closer to Mandating Apple to Switch iPhone, iPad, and AirPods to USB-C
It's about time!
I'm sure that Apple will not be too happy with this once it will hit their bottom line (a USB-Lightning cable costs 25 EUR which is absolutely ridiculous!!!!) but this is great news for consumers in the EU.
It's a major pain in the butt to have to carry around a Micro-USB cable for my camera and bluetoooth speaker a USB-C cable for my Go-Pro and laptop and a lightning cable for my iphone and ipad. It's a pain in the butt and wasteful!!!
 
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It's almost like *gasp* the standard can be updated if necessary!
Yes, theory is always beautiful. In reality, since no one will have a significant incentive to develop a better connector, all you’ll get will be small improvements already outdated in the cutting-edge tech world.
 
Yes, theory is always beautiful. In reality, since no one will have a significant incentive to develop a better connector, all you’ll get will be small improvements already outdated in the cutting-edge tech world.
Yeah, sure, tech companies will give up on innovating because of a port. Certainly a realistic concern /s.
 
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Lightning has served its purpose. When it arrived it was great, the old pin-connector was huge and at the time, micro-USB port wasn't great either. Basically, Lightning-port was better than the alternatives and made the user experience better.

But that's not the case today. It's only annoying and performs worse than the USB-C port. But I can also see Apple go all in on MagSafe. Only problem would be that they'd struggle to not include one with the phone, and that would hurt the profitability.
 
Stop blaming Timmy Boy for everything… you all act as if the CEO is in charge or very single thing. He ain’t Elon Musk. And Jobs also didn’t invent the iPhone you know?
Tim has never been a product guy, he was and is known as a money guy. And MFI program is the only reason why the lightning port is still alive. MFI is Apples iron grip on the iPhone. But those times are over. Ive already left the company, Tim, Phil, Scott and all the old guys should follow him.

Apple needs fresh people and fresh ideas. Trying to stick to Apple tax and MFI won‘t work. Lightning will die, wallet garden and Apples holy cow IAP will fail too. Over and out - yes this will take 2 or 3 years. But this business model reached EOL.

you have to move with the times or the times move you …
 
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Technology works by innovation, design and evolution, as well as market.
Government mandating this is beyond ridiculous overreach.
Freedom of choice (in technology) requires standardization. With USB-C, I can choose between thousands of displays, chargers, mass storage solutions, projectors, power banks, audio systems, networking technology, ...
If the market cannot achieve the standardization, regulation is required - to finally enable the freedom of choice and to enable innovative developments.

Remember the early days of engineering - when every single screw, nut and bolt was custom made? And once they were mass produced, nuts from manufacturer A were still not compatible with screws from manufacturer B? Or the pain today when trying to find a metric or an inch Allen key (whatever you don't have in your toolbox)?

But after the EU required MicroUSB (just for charging - at a time when phones required nothing else), this standard took off: suddenly, everybody had a charger, creating new types of devices or making existing types convenient to use or cheaper to purchase: Rechargeable bicycle lights, headphones, torches, car navigation systems, portable devices, reading lights, clocks, safety lights, ... Effectively, the standardization created the market for devices that would have been too cumbersome (and too expensive!) when each one required it's own, specific charger. But regulation made the market.

Now, we have seen no significant evolution in devices since the introduction of the iPhone - and we know that USB-C will be sufficient for Power and Data for some time to come. So, it's time for regulation - to support consumer choice, convenience and to avoid waste (chargers).
If, however, there will ever be another ground-braking category of personal devices (like the original iPhone was), which cannot use USB-C for some unforeseeable reason, then this unheard of class of device will be hardly affected by this mentioned EU regulation.

So, no government overreach - just good governance.
And just what Apple needs to finally transition its remaining Lightning devices to USB-C without upsetting its customers. (iPads and Notebooks did this transition a while ago already).
 
That’s the first eu directive I can agree on , I’ve got so many apple products and the bewildering connections drive me nuts ?

Much prefer usb c to the lightning port
 
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For marketing reasons, I’m guessing Apple was waiting for someone to blame for the move !
 
No it’s not. That’s the way to stifle technology. If someone develops a revolutionary connector they need permission from the EU or every other company to start using it?
If the EU decides that charging and data transfer is similar to wireless technology then the new revolutionary tech would need (like 3G, LYE, and 5G) to be standardized and the patents would be required to be offered in FRAND terms.
 
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