[EU] Net firms start storing user data

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  1. edesignuk Moderator emeritus

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    BBC.

    I'd better stop looking up "home made dirty bomb". oooops.
     
  2. miniConvert macrumors 68040

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    I wonder if all ISPs have implemented this?

    FWIW, I'm against it.
     
  3. bigandy macrumors G3

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    This is all getting so ridiculous that I'm sure soon we'll all have special toilets to monitor our bowel movements, and inform the police if we take more than one crap a day.

    Of course it'll be passed as an anti terrorism law.
     
  4. arkitect macrumors 601

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    Oh well if they want to store/research my data they're welcome to it…

    I'm sure they'll have a gay old time of it… they may even get educated.
    ;)

    Although quite frankly I do wish they'd stop wasting time and money turning their citizens into criminals that are "guilty until proven innocent"…
     
  5. bigandy macrumors G3

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    If they're just using it to determine connections between people, why can't they use Facebook like the rest of us?

    Or are they just really intent on setting up their own..? What'll it be called? Terrorbook?



    :rolleyes:
     
  6. edesignuk thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    Good that isn't it. We'd probably all be safer and more secure if we were all just locked in our own homes with no connection to the outside world. Next step...

    ***** bollocks.
     
  7. AppleMatt macrumors 68000

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    I have a genuine interest in religious extremism. I wonder if I'll get a knock one day?

    (doubtful - I read newspapers and discussions, not jihadvideos.com)

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    Oh the modern world does love a bit of irony. Taking away freedom for the sake of "freedom". :mad:
     
  9. bigandy macrumors G3

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    I always thought jihadtube.com was better. :rolleyes:

    Sucks major hairy balls, doesn't it?
     
  10. arkitect macrumors 601

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    Oh yes, big government knows best…

    One day soon these are all we'll be allowed to use (under supervision, of course).
    [​IMG]
     
  11. Queso macrumors G4

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    With me they aren't going to find out anything I wouldn't tell anyone if they asked anyway, but as an advocate against the increasing government intrusion into our personal lives I'm obviously against this.

    Maybe they ought to monitor MPs' Internet, so we know who looks up "get rich quick stealing from the taxpayer" and such like.
     
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    Isn't something like 50% of internet traffic porn related? I guess the person who has to sift through the records is just going to spend all their time checking out porn sites.
     
  13. edesignuk thread starter Moderator emeritus

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    *goes looking for government job vacancies*
     
  14. Queso macrumors G4

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    Which according to Mary Whitehouse's thinking would make them the most evil depraved person in the world!! :eek:

    It does sound like the job for e, doesn't it? :D
     
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    Working in a chocolate factory is great, for a while. ;)
     
  16. Marble macrumors 6502a

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    Quite foul. Is any of this really legally admissable information? That is, if someone did research on how nuclear weapons are being miniaturized today for some academic purpose, could that be used against them in a fraudulent criminal case? After all, this database can't store the context of people's activities on the internet, be they for a laugh, personal interest, or genuinely malicious intent.
     
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    But wouldn't potential terrorists find a way around this?

    FWIW an online friend was drunk a few days ago and using 3 very different forms of IM and a chatroom (for kicks?) we cycled through each one a sentence at a time. Surely something as low level as that is hard to trace.

    Once again it'll be the law abiding folk who will get shafted by this system. Just like DRM in games and films.
     
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    Aren't emails already monitored for their content (although not stored), if you start sending emails with certain keywords you get flagged, and if you're persistent in your behaviour, you might find yourself being visited, I swear this happened to someone testing the theory in the USA. Although that's the States, land of (ironic) freedom.
     
  19. arkitect macrumors 601

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    I wonder if we can get hold of this "list of suspect words"…
    I have a suspicion I use them far too frequently already…
    *watches the black van parked across the street*
    :eek:
     
  20. Schtumple macrumors 601

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    I'm guessing it's key materials in making weapons, rather than just the the combination of "bomb" and various government buildings.

    Anyone willing to give this a try? Also, if you fly more than 5 times booking less than a week before your flight, you get pulled over at the airport :p

    and don't take flying lessons either before you do this, that'll really land you in some trouble...
     
  21. AppleMatt macrumors 68000

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    Well that's a debate as hot as Windows vs Mac OS. Ultimately however, you're wrong. jihadvideos.com is clearly supreme. Any other opinions will not be tolerated.

    AppleMatt
     
  22. Moof1904 macrumors 65816

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    This sort of thing could only happen in America. Oh, wait...
     
  23. Abstract macrumors Penryn

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    I don't even see why people would care.


    People hear keywords like "intrusion" and "privacy" and they get all worked up because something in their head is triggered and tells them something is wrong, and yet many people in our society have FaceBook, Twitter, etc. :confused:

    If this particular initiative is done to simply track where emails are being sent, then I'd be OK with that. A keyword searching software can do what it wants. Besides, that's already being done, and it's not like I walk around every day worrying about. I don't feel as though I have a target on my back, but that's probably because I know they're not interested in me. Keyword tracking has been the biggest breach of privacy, and still.....nothing. Knowing who I send emails to is fine, as long as they don't know the contents.
     
  24. Marble macrumors 6502a

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    Facebook and Twitter are opt-in, and at least Facebook is restricted to an approved audience of "friends." I think the 'something' in our head that is triggered by this surveillance is the feeling of a disappearing liberty: to speak without fear of censorship or retribution. The slippery slope here is that instead of trusting that the government will not spy on its citizens, we have to trust that it will not abuse the new power that it gains by doing so. A much bigger leap, in my opinion.

    The "as long as you don't do anything wrong you'll be ok" argument is dangerous because what is deemed wrong is a changing variable. Additionally, this "black box" database is not transparent and is therefore a threat to due process.
     
  25. RedTomato macrumors 68040

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    It'll end in tears.

    Only today I got asked to fill in a form that had intrusive questions about my religion and sexuality. It was for the London Development Agency, who were funding a course that I was on.

    The form, in the verbiage, warned me that the "data may be shared with other organisations that the LDA has signed data exchange agreements with"

    Who are these 'other organisations'? What are their own data confidentiality policies? Why are they all so interested in collecting data on my religion and whether I'm gay or straight when it's nothing to do with their project aims?
     

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