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Sure, but the manufacturer doesn’t have to help you. And while you can do what you want to your unauthorized modifications can lead to warranty loss.
Only if my modification affects that specific thing. Warranty is a legal obligation you can’t lose. Extreme example: if I modify my seats and windshield to something different, I still can’t lose the warranty on the rest of the car such as the engine or wheels. This have been clear for decades.
The point is that these regulations aren’t simply allowing people to modify the hardware they purchased. They’re forcing Apple to create new code to support third parties without compensation.
Apple isn’t asked to write new code. They are asked to remove code.
 
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It is hilarious that every one of the worst offenders for ludicrously locked-down cars is based in the EU. Apple’s walled garden has nothing on the insanity that is BMW
Wanna guess where the most locked down cars are sold? USA, because they can.

You want to guess where the least locked down cars are sold? EU, because eu forces them to be more open.
 
My apologies. I said “billion” when I really meant “trillion”.

and do you see the difference between them vs say, Apple and Google, which between them, make up almost 100% of the mobile market?

Or how Facebook and Google have effectively monopolised ad revenue?

Or Microsoft with their dominant share in enterprise desktop computing?

Even Uber, for all the negative press surrounding them, has managed to reinvent the staid taxi industry.

Those companies you listed probably provide genuinely useful services, but when was the last time you heard of any of them moving the needle in the tech world?

As a general rule, I feel that legislation should be telling people what not to do, rather than dictating what they should do, because this is the surest way to kill off innovation in the market.
Well they do make the technology apple, Microsoft or google etc uses.
ARM: UK company designing the architecture apple and the Qualcomm uses to run the industry
Ericsson: Swedish company designing 4g/5g technology apple and everyone uses to connect to the world.

Apple and google are just consumer device manufacturers using others technology in useful ways.

 
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LOL! Well the car comparison is a prime example of why Apple IS wrong here. You CAN install whatever brakes you want in your car. OEM parts, cheaper aftermaket parts, even unbranded knockoffs. You can install an aftermarket radio. You can install a better sound system, interior strobe lights or a popcorn machine even if your manufacturer never intended such things. Its your car. You paid for it so you can use it for whatever you want however you want.
Yes but I demand access to ALL hardware and software features, right? So I want to install the software I wrote myself while drunk to control the car's safety features. I'm entitled to it!
 
Irrelevant. You also can't install parts into iphones form other smartphones. And granting access to hardware and software features is not the same thing not to mention, cars are different products entirely and are regulated differently in comparison to gadgets.
You want to do whatever you want? Buy an Android phone. The choice already exists. These clown lawmakers and their tiny group of supporters want to buy ONLY an iPhone and have it change to be more like Android phones when hundreds of miliions of people bought knowing its pros and cons and are happy with it. Supporters of this are like a snot nosed kid that didn't get invited to another kid's birthday party because they are insufferable and smell really bad, so they whined to parents who forced them into the party against everyone's wishes. Go away. Buy a different phone if you don't like this one, or build your own. Don't force everyone else to use your crappy half-baked idea.
 
Well… you can install parts and run software on your fridge or car. It’s your property you can do with as you wish?
Except you can't, because many hardware and software features are locked down due to security. Your modern car needs a $750 or something key fob. You can't just stick a flathead screwdriver in and turn the engine anymore. Your smart fridge you could maybe force Linux onto and void the warranty, but you have these guys adding headphone jacks and USBC ports to iPhones and voiding the warranty too. It's possible, just a bunch of mouth-breathing smooth-brains want to know nothing about electrical engineering AND be able to tinker under the hood of their iPhone at the expense of every other iPhone user. Why can't they just buy a different phone that meets their needs (like Android, with its less limited customization)? Beats me, seems they want all the pros of an iPhone AND not to develop their own BUT none of the cons. What a moronic approach
 
As to "sparkly messages", I've sent and received text, files, video, voice and, of course, images. What else does a messaging app need to do?

I’ll tell you:

  • Be interoperable, available on all major operating systems in the world.
  • Allow video communication (iMessage is probably the only one that doesn’t).
  • Allow replies. Ohh Apple added this feature 14-15 years later… well, they didn’t, if you reply more than once in iMessage you still see the reply to the original message in the thread instead to the actual message you are replying too, you then have to click to open it up, follow, and it darkens the background. It is so stupid, WhatsApp will show you the message you are replying to and that is simple better.
  • Be smoother man, WhatsApp works fluidly with a few intuitive swipes, iMessage is just clunky.
  • And finally, probably the worst: be the same for everyone. If you message someone who is not on the Apple ecosystem you are left with SMS technology from 1992, absurd, at least migrate to the RCS standard of the 2020s.
 
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How much power do you think a minority of a 20~% user base have on political in union with parliamentary democratic institutions?
We have hundreds of parties in power. It’s 100% impossible to primary someone as it’s not a thing as another party can just take their place.

There is no democrat vs Republican ********. Coalition governments are the name of the game
I'll be the first to bash America's corrupt joke of a single-party system acting like a two-party system, so we're on the same page there, but if Apple threatened to pull out of these countries getting too big for their britches and proposing nonsense laws to coercr Apple into making their phones worse (like Android already does, which is an option for all these whiners), and Apple announced this to their users, the country would receive sufficient backlash to backpedal on these idiotic laws. That I can tell you for sure. Every Apple user bought their iPhone knowing the pros and cons, the tiny minority (way smaller than 20%) are the ones that want to buy the iPhone AND be able to recklessly do anything to it without having any knowledge of anything (for example electrical engineering) which would already allow them to be customizing it if they had it. The vast majority of us don't want this in our ecosystem. Go away, get an Android phone and mod it however you want and install whatever you want. The choice for you already exists. No, you NEEEEEEEEEEED to buy specifically an iPhone and you NEEEEEEEEEEED it to work your way and not the way that hundreds of millions of users need it to work. How petulant
 
Only if my modification affects that specific thing. Warranty is a legal obligation you can’t lose. Extreme example: if I modify my seats and windshield to something different, I still can’t lose the warranty on the rest of the car such as the engine or wheels. This have been clear for decades.
Correct, if you change the ECU and the engine blows up, most likely you are out of luck.
Apple isn’t asked to write new code. They are asked to remove code.
That’s like forcing the automaker to update their ecu so that the engine revs higher (and be subject to failure) However your analysis that all apple has to is remove a “little code” is hyperbole.
 
The big difference being is iMessage still sends/ receives SMS's.

It is absurd that a company like Apple still uses SMS technology from 1992. The RCS protocole is superior and still updated in 2020 if I remember correctly, Apple is the only major tech company that hasn’t adopted it.
 
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It is absurd that a company like Apple still uses SMS technology from 1992. The RCS protocole is superior and still updated in 2020 if I remember correctly, Apple is the only major tech company that hasn’t adopted it.
Lowest common denominator. You’d have to ask apple why they didn’t adopt rcs.
 
if Apple threatened to pull out of these countries getting too big for their britches and proposing nonsense laws to coercr Apple into making their phones worse (like Android already does, which is an option for all these whiners), and Apple announced this to their users, the country would receive sufficient backlash to backpedal on these idiotic laws.
Companies are not above the law.

If anyone suggests a single company is above the law, or suggests they have (and could and/or should exercise) the power to single-handedly pressure countries into "backpedaling" on laws by their business conduct, then they've grown too powerful.

We can't regulate such companies quickly enough and hard-handedly enough. It'd be dangerous to waste another 10 years and let them become even more powerful and grow even more potential for abuse.

Go away, get an Android phone and mod it however you want and install whatever you want. The choice for you already exists
So will your choice continue to exist, to only download and install things approved and blessed by Apple (from their App Store). Even if this regulations comes to pass.
 
Companies are not above the law.

If anyone suggests a single company is above the law, or suggests they have (and could and/or should exercise) the power to single-handedly pressure countries into "backpedaling" on laws by their business conduct, then they've grown too powerful.

We can't regulate such companies quickly enough and hard-handedly enough. It'd be dangerous to waste another 10 years and let them become even more powerful and grow even more potential for abuse.
Nobody said companies are above the law. However a company is not u see any obligation to do business where it doesn’t want because of the economic or regulatory climate.

Frankly these are ridiculous and overbearing regulations (imo) and an innovation killer. It would surprise me in the least if Apple fought back (legally) or started to curtail operations.

And sure the government can mandate anything and doesn’t mean it’s good legislation. They could mandate that each bmw has at least 500hp and sell for $25K. In fact if the EU did that I would be all over this overburdened regulation.
 
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Yes, literally what I said. I only added that it’s the CURRENT RULES that allows them to operate there and be profitable, which is also true. If it wasn’t profitable, then they wouldn’t want to.
Wrong, Apple doesnt operate in EU because of "current rules", it operate in EU because it's profitable and it would also be profitable even with the new legislation.

There’s no blackmail here. 10% of Apple’s profits come from the EU. If the changes in the EU means that 10% drops reallly close to 0, then it wouldn’t make sense for Apple to continue to operate at cost or a loss. Apple’s shareholders wouldn’t allow Apple to maintain that business.
Yes it is, the suggestion that Apple should cripple the products that were bough by EU consumers in order for these consumers to revolt against the EU because Apple doesn't like the new legislation is indeed blackmail.
Also Apple makes in Europe almost 20% of their total operating profit. That's not a small number by any stretch of the imagination. Europe is Apple's second largest market in terms of revenue and profits after the US so Apple can;t afford to withdraw from Europe, shareholders wouldn’t allow such a thing.


If Google, Microsoft, Amazon and other non-EU companies are all curtailing their business in the EU in the same way, then it would take a leap of enormous proportion to ONLY focus on Apple when everyone’s changing.
So an utopian idea, that's your argument.

And everyone wouldn’t be turning against Apple because there’s not a lot of folks in the EU that use iPhones. Those that use Android wouldn’t be turning against Apple, for example. They wouldn’t even care. They WOULD care about Google, though.
I was talking about the public society, the media, public institutions, private companies and so on.
You know who else wouldn't care about Apple's lamentations about this new legislation? EU iphone users.

Look at the Russia/Ukraine situation. Apple is just one of a wide number of companies who’s business in Russia was affected. There’s no focused ire against Apple. This would be the same sort of situation.
An irrelevant example.

That just shows that you don’t understand that Google and other non-EU companies would be affected. :)
Of course other companies would be affected, the legislation isn't directed towards a single company no matter how much users here try to suggest it, the difference is that there isn't much lamentation from other affected companies so all the information suggests that the other affected parties would just adapt to the new legislation without much fuss.

If the EU is demanding that WhatsApp give their encryption keys to other companies in the goal of some useless interoperability, Meta would be required, by the EU to end operations. I do understand that on THIS site the focus is always on Apple, but many services provided by non-EU companies across the board would be affected.
EU didn't demand anything like that from Whatsapp.
PS. Meta already threatened EU with withdraw from the market and voices from EU officials said: "go ahead". So Meta knows what it has to do.
 
Yes but I demand access to ALL hardware and software features, right? So I want to install the software I wrote myself while drunk to control the car's safety features. I'm entitled to it!
Where are you getting this?
Who said ALL hardware and software?
 
Nobody said companies are above the law. However a company is not u see any obligation to do business where it doesn’t want because of the economic or regulatory climate.
They aren't obliged to conduct business in a jurisdiction.

But that's not what macar00n has been saying. He/she has suggested Apple threaten pull out of the market to "force" legislators to abandon a law based on a unilateral threat, and without due legislative process.

That (a company successfully "forcing" legislators to abandon laws within hours due to a credible threat) does, in effect, make it stand above the law.
 
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They aren't obliged to conduct business in a jurisdiction.

But that's not what macar00n has been saying. He/she has suggested Apple threaten pull out of the market to "force" legislators to abandon a law based on a unilateral threat, and without due legislative process.

That (a company successfully "forcing" legislators to abandon laws within hours due to a credible threat) does, in effect, make it stand above the law.
We’ll sure apple can threaten. Since when is telling a government that the regulatory climate is not suitable to do business and unless concessions are made the company won’t do business.

Happens. Amazon did that to the city of New York.
 
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To be clear, I don't believe Apple will pull out of the market. It's too big and lucrative for them.

I also don't believe that they would get away with a threat of pulling out as easily that "everybody" would blame legislators rather than Apple themselves.
Frankly these are ridiculous and overbearing regulations (imo) and an innovation killer.
Why would it? Take the App Store, for instance: Apple has no competition for App distribution today. There's no other App Store on the platforms Apple operates their own on. Opening that would force Apple to compete, innovate and provide a superior platform at competitive pricing.
We’ll sure apple can threaten. Since when is telling a government that the regulatory climate is not suitable to do business and unless concessions are made the company won’t do business.
Of course a company can publicly announce how they will or might react to changes in laws. But again, that's not that's not the issue and not what macar00n was talking about. He/she suggested they'd successfully incite customers to have lawmakers abandon it within mere hours.

I (or "we" as democratic societies) don't have a problem with companies pursuing their business interests.
And there's no problem and nothing dangerous with companies lamenting about new laws or taking legal action against them.

But we do have a problem when (as suggested by macar00n) they do get away with changing or preventing a law within mere hours, without due (legal/democratic) process.
 
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You mean like in China and Russia, where they bent themselves like a pretzel? We get it.
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I agree with everything you said about the other two issues. Except that the PC has always limited user-space memory access. On x86 32-bit systems, apps couldn’t access or address more than 2GB of RAM, even if 3-4 was installed. This was lifted with AMD64/x86-64 running in long mode.

That’s not a regulatory or competitive issue. It’s just an architectural limitation.
Only on Windows. On Mac and Linux apps could address more memory using PAE, but MS couldn’t be bothered to implement this.

Even so, there was nothing on Windows to outright stop developers from taking matters into their own hands and writing a driver that exposed additional memory.
 
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