Perfect is the enemy of good or even great. Ya mess still have a home court advantage. Every business that sells another’s merchandise has a home court advantage….regardless of “nope.” A legal home court advantage.
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US companies do real well b/c they use other countries for lower taxes, but stay here when it suits them in not having to deal with EU's so called "bs". As much as I don't like government overreach, corporate overreach can be VERY BAD. And Apple having trillions in the bank means they have the potential to be far worse than any government or company in the world. Remember that 1984 commercial where Apple mocks the Big Brother from 1984? Don't kid yourselves.. Apple was like that. It's just that they did a better job of hiding it back then was all. This even comes from big Apple fans who are heavily invested in not only iOS, but also MacOS as well.
Quote where I said that no shenanigans go on at Apple, I'm not going to defend strawman arguments
Apple "only" has around $50 billion in cash on hand. Their total assets are around $350 billion.
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Correct. Yeah, "$3 trillion company" vs. "in the bank" was what I should've been more careful in distinction. However, this doesn't make Apple any less dangerous.Apple "only" has around $50 billion in cash on hand. Their total assets are around $350 billion.
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I'm sorry, but Xbox and PlayStation aren't even close to fulfilling the requirements. Globally there are 60 million sold Xbox One/series x consoles.
they are far away form this in EU.
close to no impact
users have multiple avenues to purchase games without using the xbox store
I'd argue $50 billion vs "trillions" does certainly make you less dangerous.
Same difference...
Apple doesn't want to follow EU laws because they think they're silly
Developers don't want to play by Apple's rules because they think they're silly
Microsoft said that they surpassed 100 million active Xbox live subscribers over a year ago. And not every Xbox user is on Live.
Xbox Live Surpasses 100 Million Active Monthly Users As Game Pass Adoption Soars
During a recent earnings call, Microsoft boss Satya Nadella revealed that Xbox Live is now more than 100 million monthly active users strong, which is an impressive milestone.
You can't use any other application to send text, but apple's iMessage app.
If they have the best product, they should succeed on the merit of the product, not the size of the user base
WhatsApp and telegram can attract users by having the best messaging service and functions, instead of the most users.
They may not meet the 45 million EU citizen active monthly subscriber threshold. I think they are in the 25 million subscriber range globally. I have yet to see any reporting on the DMA applying to game console makers and they specifically exempted smart TVs so its difficult to know for sure what applies
Sure you can. Whatsapp, Messenger, etc.
That's certainly your opinion.
unless 50% of those exist in EU they do not fulfill this requirment.Microsoft said that they surpassed 100 million active Xbox live subscribers over a year ago. And not every Xbox user is on Live.
Xbox Live Surpasses 100 Million Active Monthly Users As Game Pass Adoption Soars
During a recent earnings call, Microsoft boss Satya Nadella revealed that Xbox Live is now more than 100 million monthly active users strong, which is an impressive milestone.hothardware.com
do they have 10.000 actuve buisness users in EU?
Do the have this revenue in EU?
You must fulfill every criterion listed in the DMA to be identified as a gatekeeper.
Fair enough, but the metric is users, not subscribers. My point was that the second-hand market for video games has nothing to do with it.
Nope. They have over 100 million Live subscribers globally. Even more users.
really? so if i remove the iMessage app on my iPhone i will receive all my SMS text in the WhatsApp, messenger or telegram app that i use as teh default app? must be a new thing apple implemented i have missed
Seems to be the EU line of thinking.
Nope. Less than 45% would do it. But you also have to consider non-subscribers in the user count.
I agree that they might not meet that arbitrary threshhold, but I think it's possible. The point of my original post was that the second-hand market for games is irrelevant to the requirements.
I can send and receive SMS with Skype and Google Voice and a dozen or so other messenger apps on my iPhone. The only limitation is they are not my default SMS app and receiving SMS on my primary number is difficult without forwarding. A third-party default client simply for SMS is not the solution people are really asking for. What they are really asking is for another proprietary messaging stack that just also happens to handle SMS.
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You just switched the goalposts from text messages to SMS messages. Regardless, it doesn't prevent you from switching to Android.
Or your interpretation of it.
Consoles aren't touched because they don't come close to any of the requirements.
total end users are way too low for the consoles in EU. PC end users aren't included.
What the DMA covers is very detailed, i would say.
This is a core platform service covered by the DMA unless explicitly excluded as an exception
- online intermediation services,
- online search engines,
- online social networking services,
- video-sharing platform services,
- number-independent interpersonal communication services,
- operating systems,
- cloud computing services,
- advertising services provided by a provider of any of the services listed before.
How can Apple remove themselves Europe that has almost 800 million people in total .
how am i moving the goal post? text=SMS. i didn't say every message.
switching to an android phone is quite the leap for the minimum ability to receive a simple text in another app
we will see
SMS is just one protocol for (text) messaging.
Perhaps you could have read the post that I originally responded to. The poster claimed that Apple used iMessage to lock you into iOS.
The mental gymnastics are amusing. If Apple follows the rules and laws defined by EU they will add features and functionality not cripple the current functionality of their smartphones, like it was constantly suggested in this thread as a way to force apple's EU users to revolt(which won't happen anyway).
And for the last time. The comment I quoted stated the folowing: the threat of millions of devices losing iMessage, FaceTime, and the App Store framed properly will get the public on their side.
It very obviously suggested that Apple should threaten their EU consumers in such a way that they would side with them. It's an obvious blackmail suggestion.
These are just your assumptions.
There's no objective reason Apple wouldn't just as profitable in terms of percentage in EU after the legislation changes, as the changes are for everybody anyway
You are really reaching whit these doom and gloom assumption.
Nope, it's just a heavily biased assumption that shows lack of real arguments.
It's irrelevant because it's a totally different situation.It’s only irrelevant because it’s an activity that’s occurring in reality right now where multiple companies based outside of a region are being affected such that it no longer is beneficial to maintain operations in that region. If the EU puts in place new rules and regulations such that multiple companies based outside of a region are being affected such that it no longer is beneficial to maintain operations in that region, THEN it would immediately become relevant.
I honestly don't understand the insistence on the hypothetical: "it is no longer is beneficial to maintain operations in EU" whit these new laws, it's just a huge unrealistic exaggeration.
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That is why I provided the number of sold consoles globally. The question is does the Xbox have CPS with more than 45 million active users in a month? Plus the other requirements
the fact you can purchase games brand new without ever using the Xbox store is a very important metric
the Xbox store is not an important gateway to reach Xbox end users.