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iphone users don’t need to imagine that: it’s exactly what Apple and AT&T did in the US with the original iphone in 2007. And Apple couldn’t do the same in some EU countries such as Germany precisely because they had laws prohibiting the carriers to lock cellphones.
They actually did it in the UK with the O2 network as well. Curiously they also had exclusivity for the Palm Pre which, despite being heavily marketed in their stores (I brought one!) I always thought was an attempt to neuter a potential competitor to the iPhone or prevent a rival network from having a carrier exclusive which is highly anti-competitive.
 
Don't forget that AT&T-approved cellphones would be allowed (to connect) on their network.

How could they otherwise guarantee that the networks runs smoothly and our communications are secure?
I can see the nudge and wink! I'm not sure how it is in the USA but it was mandated in recent years that all handsets sold in the UK must be carrier unlocked at purchase. This was only ever a good decision.
 
I love that you admonish me for not providing examples to back my claim and then, in the same paragraph, make a claim about privacy without providing any examples.

Go buy an Android phone and use as many app stores as you want. Stop trying to make the iPhone terrible so that you and the 1% of iPhone users that want this can worsen the environment for everyone else
Oh please. I said I plainly said I don't know what they do and note that you strategically removed my part about shell companies of which Apple has many.
If you seriously believe that no shenanigans go on at Apple then I'd have to say you sound deluded. Whether other companies engage in it is irrelevant. Apple have have a more than noticeable number of shady privacy scandals.

I use both devices when necessary. I'm not drowned in Apple flavoured sugary drinks.
 
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Technically, by the draft rules, a company could operate in up to 2 member countries (say France and Germany 145M people combined) and not be subject to the DMA regulations. They only kick in when you have a nexus in 3 EU member countries.
Plus UK 67 million and other European countries that are not members of the Bureaucratic Union.
 
Scenario: Amazon controls the vast majority of the ebook market, and often determines prices to be charged for ebooks (going as far as to put people's books "on sale" without their agreement, if I recall correctly). Apple enters the ebook market with a system like the App Store - authors and their publishers can charge whatever they want, and Apple gets a fixed percentage of the price. Apple gets a tiny fraction of the market.

Result: At the behest of lobbyists, the government goes after Apple for their behavior in controlling the ebook market. Smh.
I don't make the laws, I just quote them. There is incidentally a lawsuit going after Amazon for the practices you list.

Apple remain an easy target. Thats why companies keep going after them. Consider the Epic vs Apple trial: Of the $2bn Fortnite pulled in in 2019, only 10% of that revenue came from iOS and nearly 50% from PlayStation. If Epic are so bothered about the 30% it gave to Apple, why did it not go after Sony, a company it paid even more money to?

The answer is Epic aren't daft enough to bite the hand that feeds it. They went after Apple because there was already a disgruntled dev community it could lean on but also it being Apple, the tech press would lap it up and give them free marketing for Fortnite for months on end.

If it lost is wasn't a big deal. They deliberately cut Apple out of the loop and got themselves booted from iOS because it could cut the loss. But if they did win and force Apple, the biggest consumer electronics company in the world to reduce its fee or let devs divert, Sony et al would also be forced to do so as they would have no leg to stand on.

Fortnite made $5.1bn in 2020 so clearly their decision worked.

Apple don't get off as the victim here. The court case revealed all sorts of dubious business practices such as Apple refusing to admit it makes huge profits ($60bn in 2020!) on the app store rather than running it at cost, offering Netflix favourable terms to not remove IAP whilst letting every other dev play by them, the increasing nannying of MacOS and the potential for closing that ecosystem.
 
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Plus UK 67 million and other European countries that are not members of the Bureaucratic Union.
You can have 100% of the market of every country in the world. As long as it’s not in the EU single market they won’t be covered by these laws. EU law only applies to the EU market.
 
Nothing, and I mean nothing in this known universe comes close to the EU madness. Basically, it is a stupidity of totally different level.
The activity of our own UK government these last 2 years begs to differ. The entire Tory cabinet are a bunch of sociopathic clowns out for themselves. I may not have liked the policies of Thatcher but at the very least she showed some honour and decency operating in the office of Prime Minister and I can respect her for that. The current sycophants in charge couldn't organise a fire in a match factory and, barring the odd hungarian dictator have to be the worst western government of the last decade.
 
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Scenario: Amazon controls the vast majority of the ebook market, and often determines prices to be charged for ebooks (going as far as to put people's books "on sale" without their agreement, if I recall correctly). Apple enters the ebook market with a system like the App Store - authors and their publishers can charge whatever they want, and Apple gets a fixed percentage of the price. Apple gets a tiny fraction of the market.

Result: At the behest of lobbyists, the government goes after Apple for their behavior in controlling the ebook market. Smh.
Like this one?
 
Nothing, and I mean nothing in this known universe comes close to the EU madness. Basically, it is a stupidity of totally different level.
The US government? That’s a regulatory nightmare.

Different goals of the difrent administrations.

EU values private property rights of citizens more than corporate property.
Eu values a healthy competitive market, harm to consumers isn’t the only criteria.
 
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So do monopolies or duopolies.

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Now you are just making stuff up. AT&T has extremely innovative products and also had lucent labs. Apple in spite of being in a literal sea of competition managed to produce extremely innovative and popular products. My cable provider, a monopoly , not so much.

What you meant to say is the regulation Allie’s competition to use others innovation free of charge. But that will never be posted because this terrible legislation must be defended at all costs.
 
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Nothing, and I mean nothing in this known universe comes close to the EU madness. Basically, it is a stupidity of totally different level.
You've obviously never heard the term Brexit? You know the organisation that the UK left that would have allowed it to put forward changes to or even veto some EU legislation.
What that also means is that you are totally ignorant of UK politics. QED✓.
 
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Hardly half a billion, not sure how you came up with such a daft claim since EU population by itself is less than 450 millions. Android dominates EU market and iOS only holds 27% Same on PC market. EU is the most bureaucratic frunked UP organisation know to human kind. I am just so glad UK left them in the dust and don't have to deal with their ridiculous policies and requirements. So the idea of Apple not having anything whatsoever to do with such a backward organisation is not as crazy as it may sound.
Are the words "almost" and "potential" missing from your vocabulary? ?‍♂️
 
This is again on Apple. Apple used iMessage as a lock-in for their platform and authorities have noted that. Now, with this, they would have to open up iMessages so that it cannot be used as a lock-in. Similarly, with the other moves, the ultimate goal is that a user can easily switch between iOS and Android without pain, which is not happening now because of Apple's walled garden approach.
There is no "lock-in" with iMessage. You can easily switch to other services.

Apple should not have a “platform advantage.”

Those bills are to shift the playing field so that the big guys don’t have a competitive advantage over the small guys just because they own the platform and can act as gatekeepers to stack the cards against those budding competitors.
Why should a multi-billion dollar investment not be allowed to give you an advantage?!? That's just silly. Antitrust actions are generally about preventing competition, not having a competitive advantage. Of course, most people commenting on this topic can't tell the difference.
 
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The EU won’t apply these rules to Games Consoles because they all have other options for how you acquire software. You can buy new discs/cartridges, 2nd hand ones from shops or eBay, game codes from the likes of CDkeys or just swap them with your mates. If you want to you can buy a console and games all 2nd hand and never give a penny to Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo.

That said there can’t be many gamers who wouldn’t want to see Steam or the Epic store on their console.
You sure that's the defense you want to use?


So where are you "plugging in" or "inserting" these new/second-hand discs/cartridges? And what if you want to play online with someone? Get your wallet out for either Sony's, Microsoft's, or Nintendo's "walled" online service.

Sounds like the mFI program
(insert "Apple" for "carrier companies")
I think you need your Airpod's cleaned. You're hearing things. These two are nothing alike.
 
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Apple should not have a “platform advantage.”

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Yes they should. It’s apples platform. Apple spent the $$$ to design, develop and produce their products. It’s like saying Costco should not have a platform advantage selling their products. It’s like a ho e turf advantage for the Yankees. Nonsense.
 
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There is little doubt you have never used it for anything significant since it doesn't allow you to do much more than view and clear codes, and view limited statistics by itself. Unless you buy the vehicle manufacturers super expensive tool and software to make any changes. I guess that's a model Apple could use.
I use i t quite regular, thankyou very much and again, it depends on the scanner you have. Sure you can do more with the vehicle mfr set up but stop being disingenuous.

Perhaps a pro mechanic can chime in here and put you to sleep.
 
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You sure that's the defense you want to use?

So where are you "plugging in" or "inserting" these new/second-hand discs/cartridges? And what if you want to play online with someone? Get your wallet out for either Sony's, Microsoft's, or Nintendo's "walled" online service.

I think you need your Airpod's cleaned. You're hearing things. These two are nothing alike.
And once again the last time I checked having a console that didn't take discs is an option. Unlike the iPhone I can choose to purchase a slightly more expensive variant that does take physical media. And even with a digital-only console I can still purchase discounted game codes from CDKeys et al.

And if I want to play online I won't bother because I have the consumer choice of playing free to play titles like Rocket League and Fortnite which don't require a subscription at all. Heck, Microsoft's own Halo Infinite doesn't even require Xbox Live. £40 a year for Xbox Live is a bargain though because Xbox Live is brilliant!

At every point in the games industry I have a choice of what console to buy, where I buy my games and whether or not I want to pony up for their respective online service which many popular titles do not require. My point was they are nothing alike because none of the console manufacturers operate a monopolised marketplace.

They also support devices well past their market prime. Nintendo still repairs the 3DS (launched 2011), Microsoft patched an error in the Xbox 360 (launched 2005) last week and Sony are going to honour purchased PS1 and PSP titles from as far back as 2008 outside of their new subscription. Good luck getting your OG iPhone repaired at the Apple Store.
 
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I use i t quite regular, thankyou very much and again, it depends on the scanner you have. Sure you can do more with the vehicle mfr set up but stop being disingenuous.

Perhaps a pro mechanic can chime in here and put you to sleep.

The first rule when you've dug yourself into a hole is to stop digging, a lesson you do not seem to have learned.

The type of scanner has nothing to do with it, they are all pretty much the same.
 
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Yes they should. It’s apples platform. Apple spent the $$$ to design, develop and produce their products. It’s like saying Costco should not have a platform advantage selling their products. It’s like a ho e turf advantage for the Yankees. Nonsense.

Nope, not in a perfectly competitive market.
 
And once again the last time I checked having a console that didn't take discs is an option. Unlike the iPhone I can choose to purchase a slightly more expensive variant that does take physical media. And even with a digital-only console I can still purchase discounted game codes from CDKeys et al.

And if I want to play online I won't bother because I have the consumer choice of playing free to play titles like Rocket League and Fortnite which don't require a subscription at all. Heck, Microsoft's own Halo Infinite doesn't even require Xbox Live. £40 a year for Xbox Live is a bargain though because Xbox Live is brilliant!

At every point in the games industry I have a choice of what console to buy, where I buy my games and whether or not I want to pony up for their respective online service which many popular titles do not require. My point was they are nothing alike because none of the console manufacturers operate a monopolised marketplace.

They also support devices well past their market prime. Nintendo still repairs the 3DS (launched 2011), Microsoft patched an error in the Xbox 360 (launched 2005) last week and Sony are going to honour purchased PS1 and PSP titles from as far back as 2008 outside of their new subscription. Good luck getting your OG iPhone repaired at the Apple Store.
Second-hand sales have nothing to do with the potential EU regulation. The requirements for being classified as a gatekeeper were posted earlier. Something like the Xbox would seem to qualify.

 
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