If history has shown us anything it is that gamers don't move platforms just to follow a particular franchise (See: GameCube Resident Evil) and it remains likely that something else would come along to fill that gap.
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No I didn't miss the point.
Apple can say what it wants, but imo, their thinking was wrong at the time (and yes companies do get it wrong). It turns out that imessage in 2022, imo, is a value add, not a lock-in. The lock-ins are ios paid apps and music. Because I can't get ios only apps on other platforms.
Do you really believe that Apple has a billion iphone users because they are locked in due to imessage and can't move to android or linux? A reasonable person would find that preposterous.
no as acording to Craig Federighi as the CEO of software enginering as he stated in 2013 to argue agasitn Eddy Cue who wanted it to be an industry standard
and by Phil Schiller in 2016, using the email as example why iMessage sgould not be released for android, hwy they should make google products work perfectly in iOS but cripple theirs on android or not relese
And Greg “Joz” Joswiak explicitly stated they see this all the time.
THese are all apple executives opinion
as explicitly stated by apple. yes. you make switching platfomr inconvenient so they stay,
Not according to the images that you posted. Frederighi commented that they shouldn't help their competitor by porting an exclusive feature. Schiller and Joz simply shared the opinion of a former employee for consideration.
People choosing to stay because they prefer the features isn't lock-in. Keeping popular features exclusive to your product isn't lock-in. Lock-in is imposing an unreasonable burden to switch to a competitor. Switching to a different messaging app is no more difficult than changing your phone number.
Yes, you just skipped over my thoughts and posted the same thing that was posted before. Posted the same thing multiple times doesn't make it correct. And furthermore, that is what collaboration is all about. Citing product development ideas is exactly what they should have been doing.
2013 F150. I did specify F150 Lightning (EV truck).
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But even so. The 150 you showed isn't overly complicated (thankfully). But, it's not like it used to be. And if you look at any of these cars today. It's very integrated.
Apple Never Made iMessage for Android to Lock-In iOS Users, Epic Court Docs Show
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So, does every software vendor "lock in" they're customers to Windows for say, gaming? Does Apple lock in their customers to Mac hardware by not selling macOS to X86 clones?
You're no more locked into any Apple product than say you are to any car company. Your next purchase can be something else.
Well, there is a difference between opinions and statements made on court briefs.
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I'm failing to see your point here. What more SMS do you want?
As for iMessage being default, well.. Is that stopping you from using another App? Can you not use Facebook, Signal, Tele-whatever, WhatsApp, etc?
To me, it just sounds like you would prefer and Android device. Which you very well seem to already have. No need to make Apple's product work like Android.
Perhaps you could try a discussion in this forum instead of posting links to others people's opinions without comment. An opinion is an opinion even if it is quoted in a court brief. The "lock-in" quote was the opinion of a former Beats/Apple employee.
Anyway, rather than continuing to discuss the meaning of opinion, would you like to address any of the substantive rebuttals to your post?
Find it is much easier to ensure the vendor has the proper paperwork, training, and then grant them access via company app than to make sure that their setup and app has all the required (according to my company and Government) bells and whistles.
But... maybe someday it can happen and be a simple "reach out".....
Apparently our opinions are going to differ. That's cool.
As for iPhone users, I suspect, based on interaction with quite a few, that iMessage and Facetime are a couple of big reasons why many use the iPhone - in the US. Just as I am sure that interaction between Apple devices is also a reason. They are legitimate reasons for consumers to adopt and stay.
From my opinion, it should be about the apps and functions, not the OS. If I want Telegram as my messaging app of choice, if I want Teams as my collaboration tool, if I want Outlook as my email / calendar, if I want ... I should be able to use these on any OS that they are offered as my default tools and not locked into unwanted defaults. Just like I believe we should have multiple points of sale for said apps.
Anyway, good discussion and we appear to be on opposite sides of this issue.
Whether folks like it or not, those opinions represent Apple's actions.
Not sure what you mean by "other people's opinions," when they are the top executives in the company. They are the guys responsible for iMessages and they are stating their opinion in a deposition or through internal mails that they want iMessate iOS exclusive to lock-in users. Do you have somebody in mind who should tell you the same so that it meets your standards, because I do not even get what your argument is here.
What more do I want in an SMS? Try interoperability. Try default. Maybe something a little more up to date for basic SMS functionality (that's another can of worms). Try not having to install multiple apps and create multiple accounts just to text to folks.
I'm not trying to make Apple products work like Android. Far from it. From my post to @I7guy :
"From my opinion, it should be about the apps and functions, not the OS. If I want Telegram as my messaging app of choice, if I want Teams as my collaboration tool, if I want Outlook as my email / calendar, if I want ... I should be able to use these on any OS that they are offered as my default tools and not locked into unwanted defaults. Just like I believe we should have multiple points of sale for said apps."
Well, go ahead and champion that. 1 billion users are locked in due to iMessage. To each their own.
Yes, good discussion. There is a legitimate reason for apple customers being enticed to stay with apple vs being “forced” to stay with apple because to leave the exit costs are expensive and transfer of assets is extremely difficult.Apparently our opinions are going to differ. That's cool.
As for iPhone users, I suspect, based on interaction with quite a few, that iMessage and Facetime are a couple of big reasons why many use the iPhone - in the US. Just as I am sure that interaction between Apple devices is also a reason. They are legitimate reasons for consumers to adopt and stay.
From my opinion, it should be about the apps and functions, not the OS. If I want Telegram as my messaging app of choice, if I want Teams as my collaboration tool, if I want Outlook as my email / calendar, if I want ... I should be able to use these on any OS that they are offered as my default tools and not locked into unwanted defaults. Just like I believe we should have multiple points of sale for said apps.
Anyway, good discussion and we appear to be on opposite sides of this issue.
Apple is not preventing the competition from developing their own messaging platforms. I use signal and WhatsApp; neither have interoperability.
But sure you should be able to make WhatsApp your default if you want to.
Again, the "lock-in" comment was the opinion of a former Beats/Apple employee.
The Apple executives simply commented that keeping iMessage exclusive to iOS would discourage people from switching. There is a difference between lock-in and offering exclusive features that cause consumers to buy your product. Offering features in your product that consumers want is competition, not lock-in.
As I've said earlier, lock-in is imposing an unreasonable burden to switch to a competitor. Switching to a different messaging app is no more difficult than changing your phone number.
The comment was not rejected by the people in responsible positions and who are the epople who set the policies in their depositions. It is the opinion of many experts and I hope you have heard about expert opinions? They have more value than our (yours and mine) opinions.
You can read more here (search for iMessage). I could give you excerpts, but going by the history, it makes no difference. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.364265/gov.uscourts.cand.364265.407.0.pdf
That doesn't address anything I said. I'm happy to discuss the topic, but just saying "look, other people agree with me" isn't very interesting.
Seems like a perfectly logical conversation to me. On whether or not to create an iMessages app for Android or not. I'm sure similar conversations have been had on things like FaceTime. Or any other Apple "only" application. Mobile or not. There are points of view for both options in this email change not JUST to make it harder to switch or leave. Do we want to be the dominate messaging App? Do we want those on Android to like/want our Apps and maybe down the line switch to our product? Like a gateway app. Users try it, like it and maybe say "what else you got Apple?" Which by all accounts isn't preventing switching from happening. That would be more do to cost of the device in the case of children having a phone.
This boils down to competition between companies.
I think I will have to stop discussing this with you further as you fail to understand the difference between your neighbors and VPs and Execs of the very company that uses iMessages as lock-in and have not rejected the claim in depositions given to a court (and I see you do not think much about them too). Good luck.
You're simply mischaracterizing my position and ignoring the difference between lock-in and an exclusive feature.
I'm not ignoring the statements of Apple Execs. I just disagree with your interpretation of their statements.
So, if you search the internet, every other TechNews outlet has interpreted it the same way I interpreted it. Of course, they could all be wrong.