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"shall not use data collected on the platform... for [their] own commercial activities... unless they [make it] accessible to business users active in the same commercial activities."

This is brilliant, it basically removes all incentives to have intrusive data mining as a business modell.

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"big tech companies may be banned from preferring their own apps and services. As it stands, this means that companies will not be allowed to pre-install any of their own apps on devices, or force other companies to exclusively pre-install any of their software. There is also the ambition to allow users to uninstall any pre-installed apps."

I don't think anyone is looking to ban phones from being functional out of the box..

Quite sure this has more to do with all the "skins"(?) and bloatware that Android customers have been forced to live with since few manufacturers have been willing to ship a phone with the stock version of Android..

If Android phones ran stock Android they would also be able to enjoy years (instead of months..) of OS updates..
 
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I agree with these measures if you use the data for placing ads. Which in my opinion, need to be controlled.
But how does handing down customer data helps anyone?

As for banning pre-installed apps, this is just nonsense, and I believe just a tactic to later on removing this from the planned law and "concede" something to Apple, Google, etc..
Many users have almost no knowledge of downloading new apps, and the pre-built apps are just what they need.

The EU will not recind a single a thing to Apple/Google and are just throwing a MAJOR tantrum that they got told they had no legal right to go after apple with their trumped up tax avoidance claims.
 
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Makes sense to force companies to share their data with their competitors??? That plus the rest of the proposal is some communist china level intrusion.
Exactly, would the EU demand that EU firms such as German car makers(BMW, VAG, Mercedes Benz) share data with non EU car makers such as Ford and Tesla etc?
Nope, I think not so seems like more nationalistically nazi inspired nonsense.
I mean no offence but the EU was started by the third reich and the first head of the EEC(what then became the EU) was a high ranking member of the nazi party.
Before Macrumors has a hissy fit, nothing I said is factually wrong or to be taken as insulting, merely the truth.
 
Funny. Reminds me when Microsofts had to offer different browsers in the installation process.
Apple could be forced to offer alternative apps during the setup.

Don't know if I should like the idea - but that Gatekeeper act is really cool: When Apple blocks all competitors from collecting personal data, Apple itself is not allowed to collect and use personal data. This would be really cool. Apples own advertising services busted!!!
The fact you might not like his that the data BELONGS to Apple/Google etc and not you and not the EU! They can and should do what they like with it in terms of advertising and in conjunction with the law as they currently do. It would not work if for example Apple sold me an iPhone and I then I could not use it because there Ewa snow phone app installed, no message app and no other app installed. I had to then spend forever downloading them..oh wait...I can not do that because no app store app installed either!
So once I figure out how the **** to get the apps I was on my phone and to do so safely I then have to spend 48 days wading through the 40,000+ different companies that Apple are forced to share my data with as the GDPR regulations say I have to decided which I want Apple to share data with.
How is that better than what we have currently?
Answer is it is not!
 
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I agree with these measures if you use the data for placing ads. Which in my opinion, need to be controlled.
But how does handing down customer data helps anyone?

As for banning pre-installed apps, this is just nonsense, and I believe just a tactic to later on removing this from the planned law and "concede" something to Apple, Google, etc..
Many users have almost no knowledge of downloading new apps, and the pre-built apps are just what they need.

Yeah, this just shows a lack of understanding of how apps are used. I can understand requiring the ability to change the default or remove pre-installed apps, but this just seems like selling an alarm clock without the alarm, then you have to install an app to get the alarm to work. At some level, the apps are part of the feature set of the phone.
 
Wait, what? So the regulation is forcing Apple/Google to hand over CUSTOMER DATA to smaller rivals? This is insane! Where's MY consent as the customer? And as a non-EU person, why should MY data be handed over willy nilly to random small companies just because of EU laws? Is this for real?

Sadly yes, this is what you get when you swear blind loyalty to the nazi states of, err sorry I got it wrong I meant the EU! lol
 
You know, at some point these companies have to have a way to make money. These rules and laws that keep stripping those abilities away are, eventually, going to have the opposite effect as intended: it'll begin to stifle creativity rather than encourage it.
 
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Yeah good luck with those businesses deciding that they do not want any profits from the UK such as the German car makers deciding they do not want to sell 1 million cars a year in the UK

yeah good luck with that lol
I don’t understand this reply in relation to what I said.
 
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Before everyone here explodes, there are a few things to keep in mind.

This legislation is a DRAFT.
It's extremely likely that there will be changes to it, before it's passed in the EU parliament.

Also, the idea that no apps whatsoever, not even an app store, could be preinstalled is an *interpretation*, and a very superficial one at best, made by Macrumors or Financial Times. I doubt that there is anything in the draft that states this explicitly.
It could very well be argued by Apple and Google that an app store is part of the device.
Regarding apps like Music etc, there could be the requirement to give users a choice when they setup their device. Same way it was handled with Windows and the browser a decade ago. So just answer a few more questions at setup and you'll have your stock music app etc.
I highly doubt that this would affect stock apps like calendar, notes and even email or the browser. None of these are tied to a specfic service.
So whoever wrote this alarmist article should maybe relax a little.

Finally, any regulation passed by the EU can be fought in the EU courts. The courts are very independent and will strike down anything that is a clear overeach. See Apple taxes in Ireland.


I'm not saying I support all the details of this proposed law. I'm just advising everyone to wait till the draft is actually going into the final stages of legislation, and what will eventually be passed.

Rest assured, the tech giants spend a ton of lobbying money in the EU, so this won't simply happen without a major media coverage.

You do not understand that politicians of any country have no idea and no clue when it comes to tech. They re always behind the curve and this shows.
Next you fail to realise that politicians only go with their egos and they will nice back down unless they are forced to do so and that will not happen in the EU.
They got ruled against regarding the Apple/Ireland tax fiasco and they STILL refuse to accept it!
So this will end up exactly as drafted and only if the EU had a gun to their head would they back down.
 
I also think it’s odd that people are against the idea of banning preferential treatment for 1st party apps. Surely we can see that Apple have an unfair do the in the music streaming market compared to, say Spotify, and that his is bad for competition, for example?
Spotify is doing just fine and Apple promotes them heavily on its platform.
 
I think they mean things like browsers, email clients, etc. I don’t agree with it. I get the reasoning why they would want to do something like this, but part of why we all love Apple products is because the software and hardware work so well together. Sharing data with competitors also sounds awful.
Any chance I would be open to this was killed with that last sentence.
 
Hey, have at it. It will be an interesting experiment that the rest of the world can learn from. I suspect it will be a dumpster fire but as long as it is someone else's I'm ready with the lawn chair, beer and popcorn to watch it unfold comfortably.

(seriously - you'd buy a blank iPhone, go to the Apple website, by-your-own-free-will click on a link and in a short time it would look like they do now.)

Its a silly requirement that will only hurt EU members.

How will go to the Apple website....the phone will have no browser on it 😂
 
You know, I wish they would apply this to buying a car too. When I buy my car, I want to pick my wheels, my tires, my exhaust system, my seats, my nav system, etc.. Think of all the third party/after market makers out there that would benefit from the monopolistic practices of car companies putting their own products on their cars!! /sarcasm...
 
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I'm glad I live in the United States, and I say that even after last night's **** show of a debate.
 
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Don't know if I should like the idea - but that Gatekeeper act is really cool: When Apple blocks all competitors from collecting personal data, Apple itself is not allowed to collect and use personal data. This would be really cool. Apples own advertising services busted!!!
The fact you might not like his that the data BELONGS to Apple/Google etc and not you and not the EU! They can and should do what they like with it in terms of advertising and in conjunction with the law as they currently do.

Do you honestly think that our personal data belongs to the corporations? No, our personal data belongs to us. Apple and Google and especially Facebook may be spending a gazillion on collecting and storing it, but it is still ours to the last bit, not theirs. They can be allowed to use it within tight legal boundaries, but I have no problem with this being really really difficult for them.
 
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You know, at some point these companies have to have a way to make money. These rules and laws that keep stripping those abilities away are, at some point, going to have the opposite effect as intended: it'll begin to stifle creativity rather than encourage it.
At some point they shift focus elsewhere because the costs outweigh the profits
 
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