I agree this is the wrong move. Apple should be brought to court for monopolistic behaviour by giving themselves an unfair advantage in multiple areas from the beginning. Then they might sort this out on their own instead of being forced to do it which is bound to be harsher on Apple than if Apple had just self-regulated from the beginning.
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EU Plans to Let Spotify Direct Users to Other Payment Options on iPhone
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Not exactly.
Right now the only choice is to pay through the Spotify website. There is no more paying through the App Store.
There's actually less choice.
But if this is what Spotify wants... let 'em have it. I just want them to stop complaining.
They pay Apple a developer fee to use their platform.
If Spotify is freeloading off Apple then so are all the banks with their banking apps and the retailers like Target, Walmart, and Amazon since Apple doesn't get a cut of their sales, just annual app developer fee.
Then Amazon, Starbucks, American Express, Bank of America, Coinbase, Target, Walmart, etc should be required to pay a monthly fee for their apps too. Or do they think Apple should host their app free of charge and they get all the income?
Why do you just take my quote & not include what I was responding toNot exactly.
Right now the only choice is to pay through the Spotify website. There is no more paying through the App Store.
There's actually less choice.
Where did I say they shouldn't pay anything?. If they want their Apps on Apples App Store then there should be a charge for that, should it be 30%? In my view, that's about 20% too high.
Thankfully, the EU looks like there going to open up Payment options for Users so if something costs $2.99 on the Apple App Store but $1.49 on another App store then I have no issue what so ever with that. Competition has always been good for consumers.
The EU is going to start opening up Apple's systems, no amount of jumping up and down is going to change that. Just like USB-C, the EU won't allow Apple to change something and still attempt to rip people off.
Well, we’re not talking about payments methods now, we’re talking about developers not wanting to pay anything for their app being hosted on the App Store. And Target DOES charge suppliers for premium space on their shelves. So do grocery stores and other retailers like Best By, for example. Do you really think Apple and Samsung pay nothing for their kiosks being right in front of you when you walk through the door?
So do you think developer should get their apps hosted free of any charge from Apple?
I clicked the quote button and this is what came up: "It’s called having a choice"
So that's what I responded to.
This is a good analogy! If you're a manufacturer of goods, you can sell them at Target, Walmart, Macy's, Kroger, Costco, TJX, Home Depot, etc. As a storefront and a selling platform, Target has dozens of direct and indirect competitors. And best of all, consumers are not walled-in to shopping at just one store. There are often other stores right across the street from Target that sell the same thing, and you can easily cross-shop to get the best price and find the most options.
With Apple's app store platform, there is only one competitor but you cannot cross-shop at all. In effect, every smartphone owner has only only one choice. It's not like on an iPhone, if you notice Spotify costs less on the Google Play Store, you can go get it there instead.
Do you see the problem?
Because that is coming across one way when you put it into context it means a different way
Apple has a service on the same platform that directly competes with Spotify, which means they can undercut Spotify’s prices with their strict payment rules. That seems anti-competitive in my book and the ones affected most are end users.
Apple did of course create the devices and the operating system. This shouldn't give them free rein to enter any market they like with a competitive advantage or we are stifling innovation, variety and choice.
Spotify are by no means saints but they aren’t alone in this stalemate.
This is a hysterical take. Spotify has paid Apple tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars over the years in subscription fees. And at this point, nothing is going to change that—the vast majority of Spotify users will continue using Apple's payment processing and Apple will continue to get their 30% cut. All this EU rule would do is allow Spotify to tell users they can sign up outside the app, and potentially link to that page. And in all likelihood, Apple will still find a way to charge Spotify for those signups.
And note that Apple will be required to do the same in the US once SCOTUS denies their appeal in the Epic trial.
Maybe you should have given me more context. All I got from you is just a few words.
Here's your chance to tell me about "choice" as it pertains to this article.
Go!
If Spotify doesn't like Apple's App store rules, all they would have to do is to publish their app's source code and required metadata. Then anyone with a paid Apple Developer enrollment could compile Spotify's app and side-load it onto their personal iOS devices.
Of course Spotify wants to make more money. But a profit incentive doesn't mean it's freeloading. And good thing, because I don't think any company on the planet is as voracious for profit as Apple. Literally all this rule would do is allow Spotify to tell users they can sign up elsewhere. It doesn't in any way prohibit Apple from charging for use of the App Store.
As an Apple fanboy, I think it's fair, because Apple Music doesn't have to pay any fees to Apple. So basically Apple should not be getting 30% of the revenue from the competing apps. Maybe 3% would be fair. Or some hosting fees based on downloads and for approving such apps.
It's a symbiotic relationship, or rather it would be if Apple didn't have their own damn competitor to Spotify! It's so obviously monopolistic behaviour that I can't believe we have been having this discussion for so long...
I love Apple, but at this point they really should be broken up into about 10 different entities. Mega-corporations does nobody any good.
Excellent idea, that's how it should have worked from the beginning, pay for the fees incurred, not made-up cover-it-all fees like the $99/year developer fee that is literally nothing to Spotify, but is prohibitively expensive for open source projects...
This. So much this! If Apple Music had to pay Apple App Store the same fee then there is no real issue here!
And what is that actually got to do with Spotify wanting to put a link on their app?
Good news! Apple isn't getting anything from Spotify anymore.
Spotify Cutting Off Apple In-App Payment for Premium Subscribers Who Were Paying Through the App Store
Spotify is no longer letting Premium customers continue paying for their service through Apple's in-app purchases.
variety.com
And now the Spotify app will finally be allowed to tell people how to sign up on the Spotify website. Hooray!
This is gonna fix all of Spotify's problems.
It's funny that so many people here defend Apple. You, the customers, have to pay all the App Store Fees. So you should thank the EU.
Are you a Spotify shareholder or apple shareholder?Good news! Apple isn't getting anything from Spotify anymore.
Spotify Cutting Off Apple In-App Payment for Premium Subscribers Who Were Paying Through the App Store
Spotify is no longer letting Premium customers continue paying for their service through Apple's in-app purchases.
And now the Spotify app will finally be allowed to tell people how to sign up on the Spotify website. Hooray!
This is gonna fix all of Spotify's problems.
Just don’t download the app
Real competition, which is innovative. Regulated competition is freeloading.
The EU is just working for the other billion dollar companies competing with Apple and that’s obvious.