EU Proposes to Force Apple to Switch iPhone, iPad, and AirPods From Lightning to USB-C

[code-m]

Yes I will care.

A Mac has a different use case than a phone….apple can gush all they want.

Never broke a connector lightning included. However I agree with MR posters whose opinion is lightning is better for phones.

EU says cry you a river 😝

A phone maybe the only “computing” device many people have access to or use in some places. It certainly has the processing power to handle most daily tasks, couple that with USB-C and one has a pseudo-DEX like experience if one prefers.

Who said anything about the connector I am referring to the cable. I had no problems with the 30 pin connector either just the cable why did we need Lightening connector, what because it was reversible and durable like USB-C with versatility included. Some average folks may complain or find it initially inconvenient similar to when 30 pin was dropped or the audio jack but will adapt and adopt the new port. This hanging onto the Lightening connector and coming up with some reason that it’s more durable to USB-C is far fetched, both can be fragile or durable depending upon misuse. Were you part of the same crowd when Apple dropped the optical drive too. 😜😂

 

[Karma*Police]

Normally I’m against government force. But this is necessary at this point. Apple’s insistence to stay with Lightning instead of USB-C is anti-consumer and outright irresponsible.

No, it’s simply anti your opinion and specific use case. There are plenty of people who’ve invested a lot of money in lightning accessories who would disagree. In fact, I’m sure you’ll find plenty of posters on here who disagree with you.

 

[vipergts2207]

Why is the law telling consumers what to buy? Why is the law telling tech companies, who are experts in the products that they build, what port they must use even if they have a compelling reason to use another port? Why is this law being proposed arbitrarily in the tech industry when the same idiotic thing can be done in any industry?

Environmental concerns would be a widely accepted reason for making laws about what can and cannot be sold. You’re free to disagree that this law would have the environmental impact that regulators think it would, but it’s certainly a valid premise for legislation.

Being proprietary or not is not my concern. I have no issues for apple (or any company) being paid for its IP. I just believe lightning is more durable.

I take it you were on Qualcomm’s side in the legal battle between them and Apple then?

 

[I7guy]

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I take it you were on Qualcomm’s side in the legal battle between them and Apple then?

Good deflection. But the comment referred to other posts about the lightning adapter.

 

[vipergts2207]

Good deflection. But the comment referred to other posts about the lightning adapter.

Lol that’s not a deflection. It’s to see if you maintain the philosophy of companies getting paid the going rate for their IP when Apple is on the opposite side of the ball. Or is the real philosophy, just whatever benefits Apple?

 

[I7guy]

Lol that’s not a deflection. It’s to see if you maintain the philosophy of companies getting paid the going rate for their IP when Apple is on the opposite side of the ball. Or is the real philosophy, just whatever benefits Apple?

Lol, that is the classic internet deflection. Take a statement, generalize the point being made and then use that generalization to point to another example. Again, my response was specifically related to the topic in the thread regarding the lightning adapter.

 

[vipergts2207]

Lol, that is the classic internet deflection. Take a statement, generalize the point being made and then use that generalization to point to another example. Again, my response was specifically related to the topic in the thread regarding the lightning adapter.

No worries, your lack forthrightness tells us all we need to know about your philosophy on the matter.

 

[I7guy]

No worries, your lack forthrightness tells us all we need to know about your philosophy on the matter.

No worries here….your attempt at a deflection tells us all we need to know about your objectivity in the matter.

 

[vipergts2207]

No worries here….your attempt at a deflection tells us all we need to know about your objectivity in the matter.

Holding all companies to the same standard is in fact objective, unlike showing blind loyalty and favoritism toward one just because they make some products you like.

 

[I7guy]

Holding all companies to the same standard is in fact objective, rather than showing blind favoritism toward one just because they make some products you like.

The thread is fairly specific regarding the EU forcing USB-C. If you believe this is blind favoritism you missed the boat on this.

 

[vipergts2207]

The thread is fairly specific regarding the EU forcing USB-C. If you believe this is blind favoritism you missed the boat on this.

This specific thread may be about USB-C and lightning, but that doesn’t mean other related matters can’t be used as discussion points. For instance, you previously saw fit to bring up the decades old AT&T breakup in this thread.

 

[macar00n]

Environmental concerns would be a widely accepted reason for making laws about what can and cannot be sold. You’re free to disagree that this law would have the environmental impact that regulators think it would, but it’s certainly a valid premise for legislation.

Yeah, equally as valid and effective as picking up pennies from the sidewalk to address a family's financial issues

 

[vipergts2207]

Yeah, equally as valid and effective as picking up pennies from the sidewalk to address a family's financial issues

Actually folks in the US collectively lose $62 million in pennies every year. So collectively we could all help quite a few families if we all picked up a few pennies we come across on the ground and put them toward such a cause. Thanks for helping to illustrate what collective action can do.

 

[I7guy]

This specific thread may be about USB-C and lightning, but that doesn’t mean other related matters can’t be used as discussion points. For instance, you previously saw fit to bring up the decades old AT&T breakup in this thread.

Right one comment was directed at government mismanagement and your comment was trying to “catch a poster.” Beating a dead horse now. Carry on !

 

[0924487]

Internet tactic. Discredit the poster not the post. 👍

Irrespective of AAPL you must agree that companies and individuals should be able to charge the going rate for their services? No?

In a only in a perfectly competitive market, you can have “going rate”, otherwise, you will only have extortion.

The role of the state is to ensure we have a perfectly competitive market, not oligopoly, not monopoly, and not duopoly.

 

[0924487]

Being proprietary or not is not my concern. I have no issues for apple (or any company) being paid for its IP. I just believe lightning is more durable.

It’s not, I have too many dead lighting cables in my house. My iPad Pro 10.5 also has a dead lighting socket. Possibly due to the extra use from the Apple Pencil 1.

Lightning connector has the issue of having the 4th pin “charcoaled”, so it stops working. This is in addition to the cable weaknesses.

 

[macar00n]

Actually folks in the US collectively lose $62 million in pennies every year. So collectively we could all help quite a few families if we all picked up a few pennies we come across on the ground and put them toward such a cause. Thanks for helping to illustrate what collective action can do.

$62 million is a lot to a single person, but it's utterly insignificant to the US. Let's say you get your wish and we band together, spending significant time and energy every year recovering this $62 million in lost pennies. We would have saved 0.009% (nine one thousandths of one percent) of our glorious country's military budget. Thanks for helping to illustrate what an utterly pointless waste of time it can be to direct valuable collective attention towards insignificant things that make zero impact

 

[I7guy]

In a only in a perfectly competitive market, you can have “going rate”, otherwise, you will only have extortion.

The role of the state is to ensure we have a perfectly competitive market, not oligopoly, not monopoly, and not duopoly.

The reason there is a duopoly (in the states) is the consumers have voted with their dollars. Apple could raise the price of its’ accessories, computers, phones and tablets and there won’t be extortion.

It’s not, I have too many dead lighting cables in my house. My iPad Pro 10.5 also has a dead lighting socket. Possibly due to the extra use from the Apple Pencil 1.

Lightning connector has the issue of having the 4th pin “charcoaled”, so it stops working. This is in addition to the cable weaknesses.

I have no dead lightning cables and still have the one that came with my 5s. I just prefer lightning and don’t believe any good comes from micro-regulation.

 

[vipergts2207]

Right one comment was directed at government mismanagement and your comment was trying to “catch a poster.” Beating a dead horse now. Carry on !

Yes, I’m pointing out that you yourself don’t even believe in your own argument or justification. It’s disingenuous. Carry on indeed.

$62 million is a lot to a single person, but it's utterly insignificant to the US. Let's say you get your wish and we band together, spending significant time and energy every year recovering this $62 million in lost pennies. We would have saved 0.009% (nine one thousandths of one percent) of our glorious country's military budget. Thanks for helping to illustrate what an utterly pointless waste of time it can be to direct valuable collective attention towards insignificant things that make zero impact

We wouldn’t need to spend significant time or energy on this. We’d just pick up the change we all happen to periodically come across. This actually isn’t even all that dissimilar to a real-world example, the March of Dimes.

In any case, similar to the lack of time or energy required on our part to pick up random change we come across, it requires essentially no effort on Apple’s part to use USB-C instead of lighting.

 

[I7guy]

Yes, I’m pointing out that you yourself don’t even believe in your own argument or justification. It’s disingenuous. Carry on indeed.

What’s disingenuous is your initial deflection.

We wouldn’t need to spend significant time or energy on this. We’d just pick up the change we all happen to periodically come across. This actually isn’t even all that dissimilar to a real-world example, the March of Dimes.

In any case, similar to the lack of time or energy required on our part to pick up random change we come across, it requires essentially no effort on Apple’s part to use USB-C instead of lighting.

If Apple felt there would be a benefit to going usb-c across the iPhone lineup…they would have done it. It’s not about the effort , imo, it’s about the value to the customers. Not the ones who are vocal on MR, but the hundreds of millions of others who buy iPhones. Equating the effort needed to trove for change to an implementation of usb-c is a false equivalency.

 

[0924487]

I have no dead lightning cables and still have the one that came with my 5s.

Do you upgrade every year or so?

 

[vipergts2207]

What’s disingenuous is your initial deflection.

If Apple felt there would be a benefit to going usb-c across the iPhone lineup…they would have done it. It’s not about the effort , imo, it’s about the value to the customers. Not the ones who are vocal on MR, but the hundreds of millions of others who buy iPhones. Equating the effort needed to trove for change to an implementation of usb-c is a false equivalency.

I don’t think that word means what you think it means. I’m really not sure how I’m being disingenuous when pointing out that your own argument is disingenuous. Is this like an “I’m rubber, you’re glue” kind of thing or something??

It’s a financial incentive. What Apple sees is less revenue since they’d no longer be getting that sweet sweet income from lighting cable licensing. If we’re honest, most consumers probably couldn’t care less whether their phone uses USB-C or lightning. However, we can still look at value for consumers. A 6ft Anker Powerline III USB-C to USB-C cable will cost $18, while the USB-C to lightning version will cost $22. No surprise here, that’s Apple causing the artificial inflation of the price of a simple charging cable with their $4 per connector licensing. We can see where the “value” is being created here and it’s not for the consumers, it’s for Apple’s shareholders. Now here’s probably where you trot out that line that companies should get paid for their IP, but only their name is Apple.

 

[vipergts2207]

Do you upgrade every year or so?

Here’s my ~1 year old lightning to lightning/3.5mm adapter. You can see pins 3 and 4 have corroded and it now only works in a single direction, negating the biggest benefit of lightning. This is my third such adapter in about 4 years or so. The first two were Belkin and this one is Anker, so these haven’t been some kind of Wish ‘super saver special’. These are quality adapters and have cost me probably $120+ in that time period due to eventual failure after 1-2 years. This is a known issue with lightning cables, particularly where exposure to moisture is a possibility and these have all resided in my car. Clearly Apple’s chosen design of leaving the pins completely exposed, rather than even minimally shielded, can be detrimental. Conversely, USB-C’s pins are much more well protected, both from moisture as well as physical abrasion. It’s one thing when a $10 cable takes a crap. It’s another when a $40 adapter does. Oh and look, the USB-C version is cheaper.

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[macar00n]

In any case, similar to the lack of time or energy required on our part to pick up random change we come across, it requires essentially no effort on Apple’s part to use USB-C instead of lighting.

I now realize I'm talking to someone that thinks it requires no effort for a two trillion dollar company to change the design of a world class device destined to sell hundreds of millions of units. I'll leave you to picking up change off the street to make what you perceive as a difference, enjoy

 

[vipergts2207]

I now realize I'm talking to someone that thinks it requires no effort for a two trillion dollar company to change the design of a world class device destined to sell hundreds of millions of units. I'll leave you to picking up change off the street to make what you perceive as a difference, enjoy

Change the design? First of all, this would apply to future products beginning in 2024. Apple has probably done very little work on phones launching 3 years from now. And whatever work they may have done would be negligibly impacted by swapping the connector. Considering that they already make devices (iPads) that already use USB-C that are remarkably similar to their phones, any required changes would essentially be a copy and paste from the iPad mini 7/8.