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EU Proposes to Force Apple to Switch iPhone, iPad, and AirPods From Lightning to USB-C
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And you know this just how?
Please furnish your credentials in Apple and/or the smartphone industry.
The hilarious thing here of all is that it'll take several years before any if this even has a chance to become law in all the member states - 2026 at the absolute earliest.
As a result it's quite possible that even USB C will no longer be the preferred route for the industry.
Anyone know if the space required by a Lightning receptacle is greater/smaller/the same as for a USB-C receptacle?
Whilst I am very much in favour of USB-C, the much large iPads might make it easier to include USB-C.
IIRC the iPad Pro in its current form has been thinner than the iPhone for the last few generations. Width could be an issue but I'm sure they could figure it out, especially with the iPhones being even bigger since the 12. Then again, kill off a good source of income?
We need to consider the smallest iPhone - not the largest. 12 and 13 minis. Splitting the range would not be a satisfactory state of affairs.
I don’t see a problem with the lightning port tbh , what’s the big advantages that usb c has over it ?
Data speed.
Power capacity.
Compatibility.
Price (at least, of cables).
I rather think Apple sees the big advantages, even if you don't. Otherwise why the wholesale switch of most of their products except phones? (And a few oddities like keyboards.)
I agree (although Apple seems to think it's OK to do that with the iPad) but I suspect even the iPhone mini would still be fine - it too is thicker than the iPad. Width might be an issue but I'm less convinced about that.
I thought all current iPads have USB-C? And didn't Lightning only remained as long as it did because of lack of new models. Had Apple a policy of launching new iPads across the range every year, as with phones, then surely the change would have happened earlier.
(I suspect that even with an EU ruling, there might be a period during which existing models with Lightning would be allowed. For hypothetical example, iPhone 14 would need to be USB-C but iPhone SE (assuming it were still available) could carry on for a while.)
Except you're talking about a data protocol - which the EU isn't talking about -- USB Type C is a connector. Two different things. Tons of USB-C charging cables support no more than USB2.0 data speeds - and Apple has doen USB3.0 on Lightning.
Plus limiting future ports to whatever might be an adopted industry standard completely eliminates any possibility of a new and better option from an upstart company wishing to cash in on that innovation.
Not every year, but I tend to keep the newer cables wrapped up until needed.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...from-lightning-to-usb-c.2312839/post-30349734
Apple doesn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Or else their entire lineup at this point would be usb-c. If lightning is such a financial incentive, why even put a usb-c port on any of it's devices?
I paid 6 bucks for a 6 foot usb-c to lightning port that works perfectly with my phone. (The reason the above is disingenuous is that cables can be had much less expensively: https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=38393)
It is a surprise. If one takes a minute or two to shop around there is good value out there. Of course, I understand, some feel better overpaying.
The profit before customers meme has been debunked many times. The above is just another version of it.
You're just making stuff up now. In other words arguing disingenuously.
No doubt, but it depends on the implementation of teh USB-C standard, which allows for wide variances in protocols and pinouts.
What may happen is just because a cable has USB-C on both ends as does the charger they may not be 100% compatible. For example, a cheap phone may come with a USB 2.0 implementation and low amperage charger while an iPad may use PD. Sure, the 2.0 will work but much slower than the PD version, which will frustrate some people.
Yea, the design cycle is the driver. Apple is probably working on the 15 as we type and thus decisions made today affect products a few years down the road.
Given it'll be at least 4 years before they fully go into effect we might not see it the iPhone 17 unless Apple has already decided to go to USB-C.
Not sure what the link to my post is supposed to show, but ok.
I’m not Apple and I can’t speak to their actual reasoning, though I can hypothesize. One reason Apple had to go to USB-C on the iPad is if they wanted them to continue to be taken seriously as a computer replacement. Remember “wHaT’s A coMpUTeR”?? It started as a pro feature and migrated its way down the line. Look at wide availability of USB-C iPad docks. Do/did those exist for lightning iPads? Second, since most people with an iPad are also going to be using an iPhone, those people will still be relying on lightning cables anyway. Not to mention Apple sells many times more iPhones than they do iPads. Apple could move to USB-C on the iPad while keeping the money coming in from their much larger iPhone user base still buying lightning accessories anyway.
It’s not about whether you can find cheap cables. Buy whatever junk from Wish that you want. It’s when you compare apples to apples, lightning is more expensive. Let’s use monoprice if that’s your preferred vendor.
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Again, the lightning version is more expensive.
If Apple wasn’t putting profit before customers they wouldn’t be the most valuable company in the world and they wouldn’t be doing things like selling at ATV HD for $150 and they would’ve killed off the compromised Series 3 watch by now.
I'm not @I7guy but my upgrade pattern is every two or three years. Not sure how that matters, I have lightning cables at my desk and kitchen and elsewhere that have been in use for several years across three or four phone upgrades.
Never have I had a lightning connector fair. I had cable insulation fall apart after a couple summers of daily UV exposure on a couple cables at an outdoor power outlet - but since this happened to both a microB and a lightning cable it didn't seem related to the connector type.
Lightning socket since iPad Pro gen 1 has been really back due to Apple Pencil 1. It becomes loose and flaky.
I do so like cherry season, they're so easy to pick!
Monoprice you say? Here's a couple common basic cables where the MFI certified Lightning version is cheaper.
Monoprice Select Series Apple MFi Certified Lightning to USB Charge and Sync Cable, 3ft Black - Monoprice.com
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again, they can draft a new proposal to the standard committee.
Ports, protocols, holes, bumps, etc., don’t make a difference.
Support collaboration and on open standards.I do so like cherry season, they're so easy to pick!
Monoprice you say? Here's a couple common basic cables where the MFI certified Lightning version is cheaper.
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Monoprice Select USB 3.0 Type-C to Type-A Cable, 3ft, Black - Monoprice.com
Connect your SuperSpeed USB 3.0 devices using this USB 3.0 cable from Monoprice! This cable boasts thinner 32AWG conductors and TPE jacket, making it more flexible and easier to connect.This cable feawww.monoprice.com
Lightning socket since iPad Pro gen 1 has been really back due to Apple Pencil 1. It becomes loose and flaky.
None of my various lightning cables show that charring. Going back to my iPhone 5s as well as various iPads.
Though I also don't use cheap power supplies either, often Anker or other "known" brand - and sometimes Apple but usually prefer multipart adapters.
Funny that you chose to ignore the "wishing to cash in on that innovation" part?
The crux, where one company seeks a competitive advantage and the others wish to maintain the status quo.
The only reason to do that would be to change the connector as they ae free to create a new one using the same connector but different pin assignments,, obsoleting all the old USB-C cables and power supplies. Even then, it could take years to get a new standard through and laws changed.
My guess,a sI have said, is that wireless will make the whole connector issue moot excpet for devices such as the iPad where it has more use if Apple wants to make it a laptop replacement.
Same here. The only cables that were problematic and quit working where dirt cheap ones from off brands.
Bottom line is the definition of “deflection” and “disingenuous “ is a personal definition.
Ok. That is a good hypothesis. (opinion)
It’s not about whether a MFI accessory is “more expensive “, it’s whether these accessories can be bought at a fair price and see of reasonable quality, which they can and are. Two different viewpoints.
I asked for other examples of successful customer focused companies that put “profits before customers “. You weren’t able to provide any, so your thoughts are just hyperbolic. Customers buy elective consumer focused products based on their cost vs function (plus other intangible qualities), imo. Your view of relative worth of a product is different than the next persons.