Have to keep in mind that some folks on here (myself included) chose to buy into the Apple ecosystem in part due to the ways that Apple designed it to be unlike every other platform in history.
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Have to keep in mind that some folks on here (myself included) chose to buy into the Apple ecosystem in part due to the ways that Apple designed it to be unlike every other platform in history.
Not good enough. I want to see you using Apple Pay on your iPhone 15 Pro to buy an M4 ipad Pro, while wearing a VisionPro headset or you aren't a real Apple fan.
So don't use the new products and services afforded by this legislation. Disable RCS on your iPhone when you update to iOS 18, don't enable third-party marketplaces assuming you're in the EU or Japan, don't install alternative web browsers, etc. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.
Pick any 3
So you're willing to force your ideology on to the rest of us who actually like the iPhone precisely because of its closed nature? One of the reasons I liked the iPhone was BECAUSE side-loading WASN'T easily possible, the sand-boxing of apps, etc. I used to want super customisable options, back when I used to muck about with Linux. Then I realised that was all just exhausting, and just wanted devices that worked, and were secure.
I vote and lobby for what I think is right, and I think individuals rights > corporations, including apple.
Except for the individual's right to choose a closed proprietary system if that's what they want.
What if I want to use Apple's Wallet for payments because of it's privacy features and simplicity and this change results in banks and businesses forcing you to use their own payment apps? (a la Norway and Walmart).
Does that mean my personal rights are being trumped by corporation rights? It occurs to me that you would be trading one problem for a worse one.
Until you are left with no bank to choose from if the ”worst case scenario” happen and no bank supports Apple Pay anymore?
Profits. Profits. Profits.
Anything else matters nothing to them.
They may not have any ownership of the hardware, but they still own the OS, and they decide what the OS will and wont do. Which is why you have to find a government to strong arm the owner of the OS, in your place.
Yeah I know it won’t be quite that dramatic so I’m not worried.
At worst, apple will create their own bank if they see where everyone is dropping Apple Pay support.
Either way not worried.
I'm totally agree with you. This is my thought as well. And for sure banks will do it. and this will be very bad with our experience.
Agreed, and we will be forced to use a horribal bad banks app experience.
Exactly. For a long time, Norwegian banks held out from Apple Pay, telling consumers it was because Apple wouldn't let their solution use NFC and they wanted a level playing field. Years of pressure from customers noting that this was something impacting only the banks, while their "remedy" was impacting only the customers eventually made some of them cave. But whatever incentive they had is now significantly lessened.
Well, I guess more competition doesn't always result in a better experience for the end user, contrary to what some might want to believe.
Correct. The biggers guys do well at the expense we of the customers. Less choice for customers.
And that’s why competition in some Ken else back is opposite to increased consumer choice.
Not simple. This is a skewed view.
The simple truth is you have a product that you bought as is, knowing what it is, but you now want it to be something else.
If you have the know how, you are indeed free to make it into whatever you wish. But what you are actually asking for is for Apple to help you, which it has no obligation to do.
Well, that would be stupid. And, if enough people even cared, they wouldn’t be able to sell those devices. Is it illegal for companies to make bad devices that don’t sell and then get discontinued? I don’t think so.
In my opinion, if a company wants to do dumb things and make a product that some people don’t want to buy, let ‘em!
You can thank Apple for the USB-C port as they were one of a small group that created it AND they added it to the iPhone right at the 10 year mark that they said they would. Which was incidentally a year before the EU required it.
You miss the quite important bit where the malicious entity, like a foreign government, would have to make any number of proprietary products actually something people wanted to buy. And, that product would also have to be approved for use within the region before it goes on sale (unless it’s black/gray market which the EU has no control over anyway). In this case, the EU gave approval to what Apple was doing each and every step of the way. From the initial incorporation of the company, to the creation and sale of the iPhone, to the creation and implementation of the App Store. So, it’s more that the EU is overruling the EU.
Even in cases where the EU defines gatekeeper in fairly clear terms, they then overrule their definition to include other products just for the heck of it.Hey, you’re talking about people taking responsibility for their decisions!!! We’ll have none of that here. /s